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Gary? :unsure:

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He will at my male strip party in 2018 in Vegas. I'm writing him now.

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WHO | Male circumcision for HIV prevention

"There is compelling evidence that male circumcision reduces the risk of heterosexually acquired HIV infection in men by approximately 60%. Three randomized controlled trials have shown that male circumcision provided by well trained health professionals in properly equipped settings is safe. WHO/UNAIDS recommendations emphasize that male circumcision should be considered an efficacious intervention for HIV prevention in countries and regions with heterosexual epidemics, high HIV and low male circumcision prevalence."

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None of which apply to the US.

As I said, if you throw enough darts, you're bound to get something to stick. Either way, if you live in a country with an HIV epidemic are you going to play Russian Roulette with that 60% reduction rate, or would you rather just use a condom?

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You took my line! I was going to say, condoms have a (nearly) 100% reduction rate.

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RSVP - Me!

It is a very happy-making photo. :starsmile:

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But only when correctly used.

Apparently they actually don't go on bananas or cucumbers - who knew?

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Me too!

I want to see how tightly they're stuck on.

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I totally agree with you on the use of condoms.. and I also think circumcision -male or female is barbaric.

However do not kid yourself that there is not an HIV epidemic in the USA. Latest figures for 2014 show approx 45,000 new cases. NEW cases....
http://kff.org/hivaids/fact-sheet/th...united-states/

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I stand corrected - it seems to fly under the radar these days :blink:

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In my course studies (around 2008/09 ?) the statistics were reflecting a spike in HIV cases in monogamous, heterosexual females. Basically they were being infected by their partners who were sexually promiscuous and/or soliciting sex from prostitutes or intravenous drug users.

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Oh dear. You went there. :rofl:

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Circumcision makes sense if the foreskin is too tight and cannot be retracted in order to keep the area underneath clean. After all who wants to go around with a smelly cheesy dick and contrary to popular perception there is no loss of sexual pleasure either.

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That has zip to do with neonatal circumcision, since a newborn's foreskin can't be retracted anyway.

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I don't know why the Jews do it but in the case of an adult with the problem (as I had) circumcision was the only viable option

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all this flapping about


Lets nip it in the bud

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That was your choice, as an adult, and with a medical indication. Presumably with full disclosure and informed consent. Entirely different circumstances when it comes to newborns.

Fwiw, I'm against making any permanent changes to a child's body until they are old enough to make that decision themselves, unless there is medical need. This includes ear piercing.

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I've no argument with that

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Unusual among people of my class in Scotland, but I canot speak for those of high case. I had the procedure done as an adult for medical reasons. A side-effect of diabetes. It caused m some embarrassment when my students wanted to know why I was going into hospital for a couple of days. What do you say ?


https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Phimosis#Surgical

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Whatever you do, please don't give in. I'd sooner divorce my wife than have her mutilate our child.

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Well, you aren't going to "win" any argument with mothers that have already circumcised their babies,are you? As far as your in-laws go, the only thing you can do here is not engage in the argument. I'd use the line " we all do what we think is best for our kids, I respect you for doing that, just as I will do what I think is best for my kids". Your wife on the other hand..... if you haven't had kids yet then this is an issue you need to get on the same page with,preferably before she becomes pregnant. She is the one who will get all the pressure from her sisters to circumcise since not doing it will be seen (quite rightly) as a criticism of what they did. If the best argument put forward for circumcision is to prevent bullying then she will need reassuring on that one. How likely is bullying over circumcision? I'm betting very unlikely. For me, as a mum, what I'd like to hear from my husband would be "I promise you, if he is bullied over this,we will deal with it then"

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I remember from my Army days there was a program to encourage soldiers to get circumcised. From the Army's point of view it made sense since cases of the clap were often a problem and even though condoms were available free of charge there were always the idiots who neglected to use them.

I remember my troop sergeant saying to me "In case you're thinking of having it done Gunner Koop just forget about it. You go around half cocked enough as it is"

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I think your troop sergeant was a smart man. :lol:

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According to Wikipedia - in 2007 the World Health Organization estimated
that "globally one-third of males aged 15 years and over are circumcised, with almost 70% of those being Muslims.
Male circumcision is nearly universal in the Muslim world and in Israel due to the religious requirements of the majority of Muslims and Jews"

Funny, isn't it, that circumcision would be the custom that unites both Muslims and Jews :unsure:

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I suppose that it must have something to do with them both being deluded religious fanatics ...

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At least with ear piercing, they can heal back over. A foreskin can't regrow, though I believe there is a movement that attaches weights to the skin and makes it stretch back.

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When I had our son, in the UK years ago,the doctor asked me, when DH had gone home, if I wanted son to be circumcised. I just told him, no, as I was still half asleep from anesthesia. If he wanted to get it done now when he is of an age to make an informed decision, then he could. Even the religious nutters that feel that mutilating a child is the right thing to do, should hold off, until that child is an adult, and able to make their own choice about their own body. A good medical reason for circumcision should be the only way allowed, although there might be some that would grease the doctor's palms with silver to make an exception for them or their child.

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if a doctor came along and said, can I cut your child's ear lobes off , I bet majority of people would say no. So why is any other part of the part any different. It should be a criminal act to unnecessarily mutilate a persons body without their consent.

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Weird you use earlobes. My daughter was born with a bigish skin tag on her ear lobe. The doc doing the physical check pointed it out and said you can have that cut off quite easily. I replied that it wasn't hurting her, it was harmless why the hell would I have someone cut bits off her??? The idea of cutting more important bits off an infant is barbaric.

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My youngest daughter has one ear that sticks out significantly (due to her going head down in utero very early, and the ear being bent against my pelvic bone while it was developing). When she was very young (a few months old), her pediatrician started trying to convince me to have surgery done to fix it.

Our conversation went something along the lines of:

Me: "Will it be just as easy to do the operation when she's older or are there some advantages to doing it now?"
Pedi: "It's the same whenever it's done."
Me: "Then it's her decision to make, isn't it?"

End. Of. Story.

If it's an elective procedure, there's only one person who's qualified to decide if and when to have it done, and that's the person whose body it is.

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Vile barbaric practice. Whenever the subject of female mutilation is brought up I raise the male issue which always gets shouted down.

I'm so glad I stuck to my guns and fought for my US born son.

Quite honestly how simple minded can you get to cut something from a child's body under the guise of religion or health. I feel sure if it were not needed then we would not have it. Thus since it comes as part of the package it must be needed...

I recall a deluded friend at Uni who underwent the procedure at about 22 years so he could marry his love - an israeli girl. Fast forward 10 years and divorced I often wonder how he feels about his decision now!

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There are many strange things done to people in the name of religion whether it be of a physical or mental nature.

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Isn't Trump going to deport all circumcised men because statistically they are more likely to be Muslim ?

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That does it for me then unless I can pass myself off as Jewish

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The religious justification puzzles me. If you believe in an infallible divine creator, why assume he got something so categorically wrong in half his creations, that mere mortal man must 'fix'?

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Some tribes in Africa practice vaginal mutilation. Apparently women should not have the right to enjoy any pleasure in the process of reproduction.

It's amazing how much mankind is capable of screwing up everything around him

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Here's your new baby.

He's perfect.

Lets chop a bit off

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Hear, hear :goodpost:

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Oh God, not this topic again. Every 18 months to 2 years or so, the same discussion gets dusted off for another airing on here.

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Why did you click on the link to read this post then? :sarcasm: