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Old Jan 17th 2015, 6:47 pm
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Originally Posted by Steerpike

The biggest thing that seems to be going on right now is that the radicals have succeeded in getting out their message via the internet, and as we all know, that is a hard one to control.

On some specific items, do you believe web sites that openly advocate violence should be blocked? Should a church/mosque leader be stopped if he/she is found to be advocating violence (we know this does happen in London Mosques, for example). This is not just against Muslims; here's an article about a Christian Pastor being arrested for preaching against homosexuals. I support this and would like to see it applied to Muslims advocating the suppression of women's rights.
I believe the pressure on western governments to control the Internet in order to block web sites advocating violence will inevitably lead there. Governments always seek to increase their power, and these atrocities will be the ticket. How long before they take the next step of the wholesale expulsion of Imams who have been radicalizing and recruiting young men into Jihad?

Not that these steps will work, see how the Chinese effort to control Christianity has driven somewhere between 75 and 200 million Christians into underground churches.
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Talk about influence. I'm buying a flat in Norfolk. The U.S. Government announces the closure of its airbases in East Anglia. Suddenly got too hot for you, Uncle Sam?
No. You are witnessing the recession of American power and influence in the world. Superpowers generally collapse from within - a lack of will. Our President has sent out the equivalent of the Rescript of Honorius (which may not actually have applied to Britain), wherein Honorius replied to a request for military assistance with the response that the locals must make provision for their own defence. If Obama's policies are followed by his successor, the die will have been cast and the world is on its own for better or worse.
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As in, the usual standard of political cartoons is just drawing hairy balls on <public figure>? Hmmm. Lucky none of this involves dealing with anyone who may have different cultural sensibilities...

I am interested to know how this all played pre-attack - how much/what kind of support did Charlie Hedbo enjoy? Did anyone even know/care? From what I've read, it has been around a long time, but may have taken a turn for the anti-Islam side since 9/11.
Nothing was sacred with Charlie Hebdo. The English were good targets and were fairly amusing cartoons. Very much a french institution, they established "Le Quotidien" for kids as well, funny newsy stories told for youngsters. Like I said before, the news interviewers in France were fairly useless when it came to interrogating the politicians (I really missed Radio 4) so Charlie Hebdo was a good resource in giving people a different way of looking at things.
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Nothing was sacred with Charlie Hebdo. The English were good targets and were fairly amusing cartoons. Very much a french institution, they established "Le Quotidien" for kids as well, funny newsy stories told for youngsters. Like I said before, the news interviewers in France were fairly useless when it came to interrogating the politicians (I really missed Radio 4) so Charlie Hebdo was a good resource in giving people a different way of looking at things.
Didn't it have a fairly low readership?
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Didn't it have a fairly low readership?
Yes, 60,000 copies per issue.
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George Galloway Calls Charlie Hebdo A 'Racist, Islamophobic, Hypocritical Rag' At Freedom Of Speech Rally

George Galloway enters the fray.
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It appears that George has yet to find an Islamic rogue state or party - Iraq under Saddam, Iran, Syria under Assad, Hamas, Hezbollah or an Islamist terrorist or organization - not worthy of full-throated support. Quite a career. Also quite consistent that he would condemn Charlie Hebdo's exercise of its free speech at a Free Speech Rally. My token, Flavius Aetius, would probably have had him crucified. Standards have sadly fallen.

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I did laugh when I saw that.
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George appears to have a stye.
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George appears to have a stye.
All in all, I like George, but being an MP for Bradford does bring with it certain requirements. Since the split with the SWP, Respect is partly a one man party, and has gone after the Muslim vote at the cost of traditional left values.
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Confirms my view that politics is as circle.
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Originally Posted by FlaviusAetius
Yes, 60,000 copies per issue.
So are there now conspiracy theories that suggest this was a staged event by the magazine itself to boost readership, somewhat like the old 'Springtime For Hitler' story ... or maybe what Sony did to boost viewership of 'The Interview'
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So are there now conspiracy theories that suggest this was a staged event by the magazine itself to boost readership, somewhat like the old 'Springtime For Hitler' story ... or maybe what Sony did to boost viewership of 'The Interview'
That's one way to boost readership, I suppose - arrange with some Muslim wack jobs to sacrifice the cream of your staff. What was the follow-on to the theory, bring in the Danish cartoonists?
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