The Caravan
#1
The Caravan
I know this is the Trailer Park, but let's talk caravans. Central American caravans. Not sure what to think on this. Obviously Trump is leveraging this for political advantage, but it does raise big questions on economic migration. Troops at the border sounds ominous, but on the other hand, it's potentially quite a dramatic flouting of a border.
#2
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Re: The Caravan
So nothing to do with the Group? Now that goes back a few years.
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Re: The Caravan
I wonder what percentage of the US population could claim asylum?
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Re: The Caravan
Overall, this seems like a classic October surprise. The politics of this are exasperating on all sides:
1. The "refugee" status claimed by some in the caravan is dubious if not downright false. Certainly the fact that they've passed through other countries already makes it clear that the US is the destination. Mexico has already offered many of then asylum, which was promptly rejected. That's hardly the behavior of a refugee, its the behavior of an economic migrant who wants to move to the US. These are different things.
2. The background of the caravan is suspicious. Pence's claim of "outside funding" is unproven but I don't think it can be rejected out of hand (as the media seems desperate to do). The caravan was clearly started by Honduran political activists and carries a clear political motive. Portraying this as a simple case of people looking for a better life (as the media has strained to do) is disingenuous.
3. Trump seizing on this as a sign of the "danger" of immigrants is ridiculous. Obviously this riles up his base but I don't think most Americans buy this line. The caravan is, in my mind, a political stunt. That's it. Sending troops to the border is beyond absurd, it's a both a terrible waste and needless escalation.
I'm so tired of childish, oversimplified Tweet-war politics like this. Can we please get some adults in government and the media. Please.
1. The "refugee" status claimed by some in the caravan is dubious if not downright false. Certainly the fact that they've passed through other countries already makes it clear that the US is the destination. Mexico has already offered many of then asylum, which was promptly rejected. That's hardly the behavior of a refugee, its the behavior of an economic migrant who wants to move to the US. These are different things.
2. The background of the caravan is suspicious. Pence's claim of "outside funding" is unproven but I don't think it can be rejected out of hand (as the media seems desperate to do). The caravan was clearly started by Honduran political activists and carries a clear political motive. Portraying this as a simple case of people looking for a better life (as the media has strained to do) is disingenuous.
3. Trump seizing on this as a sign of the "danger" of immigrants is ridiculous. Obviously this riles up his base but I don't think most Americans buy this line. The caravan is, in my mind, a political stunt. That's it. Sending troops to the border is beyond absurd, it's a both a terrible waste and needless escalation.
I'm so tired of childish, oversimplified Tweet-war politics like this. Can we please get some adults in government and the media. Please.
#11
Re: The Caravan
Canterbury band, peaked when I was living 20 miles off In Ashford, saw them a few times.
I have another album, buggered if I can remember what it's title is... all together now "it's in a box somewhere".
Sorry. Get
#12
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Joined: Jul 2006
Location: Denver
Posts: 5,686
Re: The Caravan
Overall, this seems like a classic October surprise. The politics of this are exasperating on all sides:
1. The "refugee" status claimed by some in the caravan is dubious if not downright false. Certainly the fact that they've passed through other countries already makes it clear that the US is the destination. Mexico has already offered many of then asylum, which was promptly rejected. That's hardly the behavior of a refugee, its the behavior of an economic migrant who wants to move to the US. These are different things.
2. The background of the caravan is suspicious. Pence's claim of "outside funding" is unproven but I don't think it can be rejected out of hand (as the media seems desperate to do). The caravan was clearly started by Honduran political activists and carries a clear political motive. Portraying this as a simple case of people looking for a better life (as the media has strained to do) is disingenuous.
3. Trump seizing on this as a sign of the "danger" of immigrants is ridiculous. Obviously this riles up his base but I don't think most Americans buy this line. The caravan is, in my mind, a political stunt. That's it. Sending troops to the border is beyond absurd, it's a both a terrible waste and needless escalation.
I'm so tired of childish, oversimplified Tweet-war politics like this. Can we please get some adults in government and the media. Please.
1. The "refugee" status claimed by some in the caravan is dubious if not downright false. Certainly the fact that they've passed through other countries already makes it clear that the US is the destination. Mexico has already offered many of then asylum, which was promptly rejected. That's hardly the behavior of a refugee, its the behavior of an economic migrant who wants to move to the US. These are different things.
2. The background of the caravan is suspicious. Pence's claim of "outside funding" is unproven but I don't think it can be rejected out of hand (as the media seems desperate to do). The caravan was clearly started by Honduran political activists and carries a clear political motive. Portraying this as a simple case of people looking for a better life (as the media has strained to do) is disingenuous.
3. Trump seizing on this as a sign of the "danger" of immigrants is ridiculous. Obviously this riles up his base but I don't think most Americans buy this line. The caravan is, in my mind, a political stunt. That's it. Sending troops to the border is beyond absurd, it's a both a terrible waste and needless escalation.
I'm so tired of childish, oversimplified Tweet-war politics like this. Can we please get some adults in government and the media. Please.
Mexico is a poor country. Someone is paying for the food stations and the (on their way) buses.
#13
Re: The Caravan
You are right about the origins of the caravan having a political motive. Also, consider the number of people involved. If they were just traveling alone, they'd be in a pickle really quickly, in terms of food and water.
Mexico is a poor country. Someone is paying for the food stations and the (on their way) buses.
Mexico is a poor country. Someone is paying for the food stations and the (on their way) buses.
I have little knowledge on this and would welcome more insight.
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Re: The Caravan
Someone mentioned the October surprise. What happened to the 700 refugees captured by ISIS - including US and European nationals? ISIS threatening to execute 10 a day.
Maybe this is another midterm surprise. If Trump sends in a successful special ops mission and it's a success. Or a huge Carter-esque disaster.
Maybe this is another midterm surprise. If Trump sends in a successful special ops mission and it's a success. Or a huge Carter-esque disaster.