British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
Oct 16th 2019, 11:51 pm
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
Just had a look at this boundary road on Google maps, seems it's purposely designed to bait stupidity.
Oct 16th 2019, 11:57 pm
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
They have arrived back in the UK ..... apparently they are now banned from re-entering the US !
What a saga ....
What a saga ....
Oct 17th 2019, 12:48 am
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
Traveling to Canada with a 3 month old sounds like a bad vacation decision in the first place to me. That and the money and the wild animal in the road just are too many red flags.
So does it mean the little kids will be banned as well?
So does it mean the little kids will be banned as well?
Oct 17th 2019, 2:15 am
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
Canada would not take them back because they were here as tourists, on an Electronic Travel Authorization or eTA, used by visitors to Canada from any country that doesn't not require a visa to enter. They had to be returned to their "country of origin", despite having entered the US from here.
Oct 17th 2019, 2:26 am
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At times other than war, when let's be honest, the US has not stepped in to help European countries until it suited them, relations have always been pretty cordial.
In fact, the US and Canada are more tied than you would think.
The US's largest trading partner is China, Canada is second.
Canada's largest trading partner is the US, China is second.
There are huge connections in business, stock markets, etc.
The border is largely open to crossings from north to south and vice versa ....... with people crossing every day to work in one or other country. That's unless someone tries to take an illegal object across, eg cannabis for Canada to the US, or a gun from the US to Canada
When you start looking into it (and I did once study the relationship), both countries rely on each other for many more things than you would expect. The ties go deep.
Oct 17th 2019, 2:31 am
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The stories in the British media are so very different from what we hear in Canada and the US!
The British media seems to have been completely sucked by the one woman's sob stories about their treatment, harassment, terrible conditions, etc, and heard nothing about the deliberate crossing into the US (I saw that video on TV this evening), the large amount of cash, the fact that one couple had been refused a visa to enter the US.
The news story I saw this evening also said that all of them had tried to enter the US from Canada "earlier that day", and been refused.
The British media seems to have been completely sucked by the one woman's sob stories about their treatment, harassment, terrible conditions, etc, and heard nothing about the deliberate crossing into the US (I saw that video on TV this evening), the large amount of cash, the fact that one couple had been refused a visa to enter the US.
The news story I saw this evening also said that all of them had tried to enter the US from Canada "earlier that day", and been refused.
Oct 17th 2019, 2:42 am
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CTV showed the video on the news. They also had a small amount of pot on them oh and the video does have a small animal in it, maybe a rabbit or cat, but the animal doesn't appear to have been the reason why they slowly drove over the ditch.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/british-family...ions-1.4641667
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/british-family...ions-1.4641667
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Oct 17th 2019, 3:23 am
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
CTV showed the video on the news. They also had a small amount of pot on them oh and the video does have a small animal in it, maybe a rabbit or cat, but the animal doesn't appear to have been the reason why they slowly drove over the ditch.
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/british-family...ions-1.4641667
https://bc.ctvnews.ca/british-family...ions-1.4641667
Global had the same video and story on its news
Oct 17th 2019, 6:13 am
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That the British media have a completely different slant on this is no surprise.
The good thing is that they have literally no recourse in US immigration law, and this will probably keep them out of both countries for a very long time, if not permanently. Feel bad though for the kids dragged into this situation.
The good thing is that they have literally no recourse in US immigration law, and this will probably keep them out of both countries for a very long time, if not permanently. Feel bad though for the kids dragged into this situation.
Oct 17th 2019, 12:51 pm
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
Canada would not take them back because they were here as tourists, on an Electronic Travel Authorization or eTA, used by visitors to Canada from any country that doesn't not require a visa to enter. They had to be returned to their "country of origin", despite having entered the US from here.
That the British media have a completely different slant on this is no surprise.
The good thing is that they have literally no recourse in US immigration law, and this will probably keep them out of both countries for a very long time, if not permanently. Feel bad though for the kids dragged into this situation.
The good thing is that they have literally no recourse in US immigration law, and this will probably keep them out of both countries for a very long time, if not permanently. Feel bad though for the kids dragged into this situation.
https://www.thesun.co.uk/news/101542...usa-nightmare/
The family's US lawyer Bridget Cambria, who has filed a legal complaint against the government, said: "They had no idea they had crossed any boundary.
"They had no idea they were even in the United States. They were just trying to get back to their hotel."
But CCTV is said to show their car "slowly and deliberately" driving through a ditch before pulling back onto a road on the US side and continuing west.
Border patrol agents stopped them soon after. The Connors family were arrested for illegally entering the US without inspection.
Records showed two of the four adults - who were not named - had previously been denied entry to the US, the Customs and Border Protection agency said.
It added Canadian authorities then refused to let the family cross back again to continue their holiday.
"They had no idea they were even in the United States. They were just trying to get back to their hotel."
But CCTV is said to show their car "slowly and deliberately" driving through a ditch before pulling back onto a road on the US side and continuing west.
Border patrol agents stopped them soon after. The Connors family were arrested for illegally entering the US without inspection.
Records showed two of the four adults - who were not named - had previously been denied entry to the US, the Customs and Border Protection agency said.
It added Canadian authorities then refused to let the family cross back again to continue their holiday.
Oct 17th 2019, 1:46 pm
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
So even if the authorities on both sides of the border had agreed that it really was a genuine mistake, rather than the planned illegal crossing that it obviously was, Canada would not have taken them back?
Oct 17th 2019, 2:21 pm
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
At times other than war, when let's be honest, the US has not stepped in to help European countries until it suited them, relations have always been pretty cordial.
In fact, the US and Canada are more tied than you would think.
The US's largest trading partner is China, Canada is second.
Canada's largest trading partner is the US, China is second.
There are huge connections in business, stock markets, etc.
The border is largely open to crossings from north to south and vice versa ....... with people crossing every day to work in one or other country. That's unless someone tries to take an illegal object across, eg cannabis for Canada to the US, or a gun from the US to Canada
When you start looking into it (and I did once study the relationship), both countries rely on each other for many more things than you would expect. The ties go deep.
In fact, the US and Canada are more tied than you would think.
The US's largest trading partner is China, Canada is second.
Canada's largest trading partner is the US, China is second.
There are huge connections in business, stock markets, etc.
The border is largely open to crossings from north to south and vice versa ....... with people crossing every day to work in one or other country. That's unless someone tries to take an illegal object across, eg cannabis for Canada to the US, or a gun from the US to Canada
When you start looking into it (and I did once study the relationship), both countries rely on each other for many more things than you would expect. The ties go deep.
Oct 17th 2019, 3:13 pm
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
That lady from France visiting her mother in Canada was allowed back into Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...eeks-1.4717060
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Oct 17th 2019, 4:54 pm
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Fairly meaningless. There would be many such plans dealing with a range of scenarios. It doesn’t signal hostile intent.
Oct 17th 2019, 5:45 pm
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Re: British holidaymakers arrested for illegally entering the US
If it was a genuine mistake then quite likely Canada would have taken them back. However, unlike the lady in Vancouver running on the beach who missed a warning sign and left her belongings in Canada, this group went to great efforts to cross illegally, leaving nothing behind and carrying $16,000 in cash. I don’t know what Canada’s rules are but the US requires cash sums greater than $10,000 being carried into or out of the country to be declared.
That lady from France visiting her mother in Canada was allowed back into Canada.
https://www.cbc.ca/news/canada/briti...eeks-1.4717060