Brexit & Air Travel
Oct 26th 2018, 7:06 pm
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Brexit & Air Travel
I ask this question purely in practical terms of traveling to and from the UK after Brexit.
As it is looking more likely this will happen without a deal in place and maybe without a customs union deal in place, is it likely to effect those traveling to/from the UK who transit within the Schengen area. I normally transit in Amsterdam and all flights currently arrive/depart from the non Schengen area, so I was assuming nothing will change. I will admit to not following this very much but seeing the steps being proposed to overcome the anticipated delays to cross channel traffic through the sea ports I started to wonder about air travel.
Just starting to plan a trip back about June time, and I can also transit in either Atlanta or New York onto a Manchester flight but normally not as convenient as Amsterdam. Am I right in assuming as far as air travel goes nothing much will change, even without a Brexit deal?
As it is looking more likely this will happen without a deal in place and maybe without a customs union deal in place, is it likely to effect those traveling to/from the UK who transit within the Schengen area. I normally transit in Amsterdam and all flights currently arrive/depart from the non Schengen area, so I was assuming nothing will change. I will admit to not following this very much but seeing the steps being proposed to overcome the anticipated delays to cross channel traffic through the sea ports I started to wonder about air travel.
Just starting to plan a trip back about June time, and I can also transit in either Atlanta or New York onto a Manchester flight but normally not as convenient as Amsterdam. Am I right in assuming as far as air travel goes nothing much will change, even without a Brexit deal?
Oct 26th 2018, 7:25 pm
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
Just starting to plan a trip back about June time, and I can also transit in either Atlanta or New York onto a Manchester flight but normally not as convenient as Amsterdam. Am I right in assuming as far as air travel goes nothing much will change, even without a Brexit deal?
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKCN1MY1XL
Oct 26th 2018, 7:27 pm
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
What potential problems are you anticipating?
Oct 26th 2018, 7:29 pm
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
I ask this question purely in practical terms of traveling to and from the UK after Brexit.
As it is looking more likely this will happen without a deal in place and maybe without a customs union deal in place, is it likely to effect those traveling to/from the UK who transit within the Schengen area. I normally transit in Amsterdam and all flights currently arrive/depart from the non Schengen area, so I was assuming nothing will change. I will admit to not following this very much but seeing the steps being proposed to overcome the anticipated delays to cross channel traffic through the sea ports I started to wonder about air travel.
Just starting to plan a trip back about June time, and I can also transit in either Atlanta or New York onto a Manchester flight but normally not as convenient as Amsterdam. Am I right in assuming as far as air travel goes nothing much will change, even without a Brexit deal?
As it is looking more likely this will happen without a deal in place and maybe without a customs union deal in place, is it likely to effect those traveling to/from the UK who transit within the Schengen area. I normally transit in Amsterdam and all flights currently arrive/depart from the non Schengen area, so I was assuming nothing will change. I will admit to not following this very much but seeing the steps being proposed to overcome the anticipated delays to cross channel traffic through the sea ports I started to wonder about air travel.
Just starting to plan a trip back about June time, and I can also transit in either Atlanta or New York onto a Manchester flight but normally not as convenient as Amsterdam. Am I right in assuming as far as air travel goes nothing much will change, even without a Brexit deal?
Oct 26th 2018, 10:48 pm
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
At the moment there are no customs or immigration checks if one is in transit and staying in the non Schengen part of the airport. While logically there is no reason for that to change I wondered if there had been any discussion about possible changes. Only takes one side to be bloody minded.
The connection coming back to the US is a bit tight with only one non stop daily to my home airport. Any extra time taken for border controls and I would probably have to leave Manchester the night before, which makes a 4 or 5 hour transit in either New York or Atlanta a less arduous option. Just trying to educate myself as to what might lay ahead.
The connection coming back to the US is a bit tight with only one non stop daily to my home airport. Any extra time taken for border controls and I would probably have to leave Manchester the night before, which makes a 4 or 5 hour transit in either New York or Atlanta a less arduous option. Just trying to educate myself as to what might lay ahead.
Oct 26th 2018, 10:53 pm
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
Who knows, but your assumption may not be right.
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKCN1MY1XL
https://www.reuters.com/article/uk-b...-idUSKCN1MY1XL
Oct 26th 2018, 11:08 pm
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
As I understand it parliament has the ability to reject a hard Brexit or a no deal Brexit. They can force the govt to stay in the status quo (which will suit the eu). In my humble opinion parliament will do precisely that if the govt don’t do the same thing by a) agreeing to an extension of 12 months, or b)agreeing to a backstop (an indeterminate extension)
Oct 27th 2018, 1:10 am
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
At the moment there are no customs or immigration checks if one is in transit and staying in the non Schengen part of the airport. While logically there is no reason for that to change I wondered if there had been any discussion about possible changes. Only takes one side to be bloody minded.
The connection coming back to the US is a bit tight with only one non stop daily to my home airport. Any extra time taken for border controls and I would probably have to leave Manchester the night before, which makes a 4 or 5 hour transit in either New York or Atlanta a less arduous option. Just trying to educate myself as to what might lay ahead.
The connection coming back to the US is a bit tight with only one non stop daily to my home airport. Any extra time taken for border controls and I would probably have to leave Manchester the night before, which makes a 4 or 5 hour transit in either New York or Atlanta a less arduous option. Just trying to educate myself as to what might lay ahead.
If the EU decides, under the Chicago Convention, to refuse the UK permission to fly over EU countries then the UK can do likewise and the whole of European air travel would grind to a halt. Technically possible but politically inconceivable.
As I understand it parliament has the ability to reject a hard Brexit or a no deal Brexit. They can force the govt to stay in the status quo (which will suit the eu). In my humble opinion parliament will do precisely that if the govt don’t do the same thing by a) agreeing to an extension of 12 months, or b)agreeing to a backstop (an indeterminate extension)
Oct 27th 2018, 2:51 am
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BritinParis I humbly disagree with you. Parliament has the capacity to vote down a no deal Brexit. One excuse they can use is that they don’t like the default wto deal that we would wind up in.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...nd-brexit-deal
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...nd-brexit-deal
Oct 27th 2018, 3:28 am
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BritinParis I humbly disagree with you. Parliament has the capacity to vote down a no deal Brexit. One excuse they can use is that they don’t like the default wto deal that we would wind up in.
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...nd-brexit-deal
https://www.instituteforgovernment.o...nd-brexit-deal
Oct 27th 2018, 3:43 am
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
Leaving without a deal on 29 March 2019 is the default position as it the only thing which has been legislated for. Anything else is speculation at the moment.
Oct 27th 2018, 3:51 am
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edit: should hasten to add, we’ll never find out as P.M. won’t let it get to that.
Last edited by nearpost1; Oct 27th 2018 at 3:53 am. Reason: Extra detail
Oct 27th 2018, 9:33 am
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Re: Brexit & Air Travel
It’s not in Parliament’s gift any longer as the EU is now part of the equation. You’d need a new piece of primary legislation to nullify the EU Withdrawal Act which the government would need to timetable and support (which it won’t), get through both Houses (which it won’t) and then you’d need to go to the EU to try and reverse the Article 50 process, which is legally untested, all before 29th March (which is wishful thinking).
Oct 27th 2018, 2:23 pm
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It’s not in Parliament’s gift any longer as the EU is now part of the equation. You’d need a new piece of primary legislation to nullify the EU Withdrawal Act which the government would need to timetable and support (which it won’t), get through both Houses (which it won’t) and then you’d need to go to the EU to try and reverse the Article 50 process, which is legally untested, all before 29th March (which is wishful thinking).
As for the EU, their door is always open to a reversal of Brexit. When the dust settles it’ll be either a reversal of Article 50, an indefinite extension, or BINO
(Brexit in name only).
Last edited by nearpost1; Oct 27th 2018 at 2:58 pm.