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Among the Worlds Most Dire Paces: This California Homeless Camp

Old Dec 19th 2019, 10:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard
Yes, definitely high real estate prices are an issue too. The solution for those (without health issues) who can't afford a city/area is to move. Places and prices evolve.
Assuming they have the money to finance a move, moving is not exactly cheap.

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Assuming they have the money to finance a move, moving is not exactly cheap.
Not only cost, but also people often will lose what little support systems they have - friends, family etc - if they move.
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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Not only cost, but also people often will lose what little support systems they have - friends, family etc - if they move.
Indeed. Many of those in addition to not being able to finance a move is why we don't move despite not being able to afford Vancouver. If lower skill its also incredibly hard to find a job in another city before moving, and moving without a job of course requires sufficient funds to not only cover the cost of the move, but deposits, and supporting yourself or family while you seek employment, low skill workers don't have the same level of mobility a more skilled person has.

Also lower cost of living areas tend to have lower wages, so while rent is lower, so are wages, when I was looking at a city in Atlantic Canada, rent was cheaper, but our income would drop substantially and in the end we would be no better off, and be in the same boat.
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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
Indeed. Many of those in addition to not being able to finance a move is why we don't move despite not being able to afford Vancouver. If lower skill its also incredibly hard to find a job in another city before moving, and moving without a job of course requires sufficient funds to not only cover the cost of the move, but deposits, and supporting yourself or family while you seek employment, low skill workers don't have the same level of mobility a more skilled person has.

Also lower cost of living areas tend to have lower wages, so while rent is lower, so are wages, when I was looking at a city in Atlantic Canada, rent was cheaper, but our income would drop substantially and in the end we would be no better off, and be in the same boat.
There are many more that would be homeless if not for family. I have four grandchildren, my wife and I and their parents would never see them homeless. Both me grandsons have lived with us from time to time.
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Originally Posted by johnwoo
There are many more that would be homeless if not for family. I have four grandchildren, my wife and I and their parents would never see them homeless. Both me grandsons have lived with us from time to time.
Yes, if not for my mom my nephew would be homeless due to some issues he is having with my sister, and my step sister would be is my dad and step mom were not able to house them.

One of the other reasons we stay in BC despite really nowhere affordable to rent is we have a safety net with disability which at least covers our rent, if we left for a cheaper province in Atlantic Canada that safety net would be gone, and if our current situation happened there we would certainly be homeless right now.

We could get lower rent in places in BC, problem is nobody will rent to you unemployed and on disability, and employers don't rush to hire low skill workers from distance so near impossible to line up employment, find a place, and move because low skill employers don't want to wait 2-3 months for a new employee to start, they want you to start right now.....

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It's easy to be poor in San Francisco, when $100K is considered low income. Low rent apartments are being sold and gentrified out of reach for someone one on $10/$15 per hr.
It's a mix of poverty and mental health not just one or the other, even Oakland is starting the process of gentrification.
If I remember correctly we approved a quarter percent increase on our already high tax rate to build housing for the homeless. Not much appears to have been done although the politicians no doubt have the appropriate excuses on hand.

Oakland city council are considering a plan to house a few thousand homeless on a no longer used cruise ship
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A read of the following link may throw some light on the current homeless crisis in San Francisco, a complex problem with no simple solutions.

Street Homelessness – Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing

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I work in education, we have several homeless kids at our school at any time. Many think of homeless as individuals, but many are families.
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Originally Posted by kimilseung
I work in education, we have several homeless kids at our school at any time. Many think of homeless as individuals, but many are families.
Many pregnant women also.

" We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. ."?
"Some are more equal than others"
Some are disadvantaged in the womb
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Many pregnant women also.

" We hold these truths to be self-evident: that all men are created equal; that they are endowed by their Creator with certain unalienable rights; that among these are life, liberty, and the pursuit of happiness. ."?
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We're all created equal but we all think differently,
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We're all created equal but we all think differently,
We certainly do, some have their own version of reality
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We're all created equal but we all think differently,
and learn differently, something society refuses to accept and still thinks one size fits all education works and then wonders why some people fall behind and don't excel.
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A read of the following link may throw some light on the current homeless crisis in San Francisco, a complex problem with no simple solutions.

Street Homelessness – Department of Homelessness and Supportive Housing
... or this link might shed some light on the situation:
https://www.city-journal.org/san-francisco-homelessness
The left generally believes that homelessness is a result of amoral Darwinist capitalism and cruel apathy, enabled and abetted by stigmatization of the poor. The right generally believes homelessness is a result drug addiction, mental illness and laziness enabled and abetted by overly tolerant politicians. Pick your chosen narrative.

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Originally Posted by Jsmth321
and learn differently, something society refuses to accept and still thinks one size fits all education works and then wonders why some people fall behind and don't excel.
Originally Posted by jeepster
We're all created equal but we all think differently,
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... or this link might shed some light on the situation:
https://www.city-journal.org/san-francisco-homelessness
The left generally believes that homelessness is a result of amoral Darwinist capitalism and cruel apathy, enabled and abetted by stigmatization of the poor. The right generally believes homelessness is a result drug addiction, mental illness and laziness enabled and abetted by overly tolerant politicians. Pick your chosen narrative.
How about more than a little of both? One might prefer one over the other, if they are blinded by a political ideology.



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Related article.

https://www.cnn.com/2019/12/23/us/ho...E-F5HP812kLXfQ
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