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Old May 24th 2014, 9:56 pm
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
One news item described it as 'one for the record books'.

I was slightly worried on a personal level as my son has a good friend in Isla Vista and they sometimes visit eachother at weekends.
Not nice Too close to home, glad he didn't visit this weekend mate.
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Old May 24th 2014, 9:57 pm
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Default Re: 7 dead in Drive by shooting in CA seems one English kid who could not handle it.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
How do you get from "girls don't like me/the teacher is picking on me/I haven't got many friends at school/I'm an unhappy teenager" to "I think I'l go and kill some people"? It seems to happen a lot.
While it certainly happens more that one would like, I would submit that rather than happening "a lot" it actually happens "almost never".

Pretty much 100% of teenage boys go through feelings like "girls don't like me/the teacher is picking on me/I haven't got many friends at school/I'm an unhappy teenager" - but almost none of them "go and kill some people".

The point is that it wasn't going through the normal stresses of being a teenager that made this guy go out and kill people - there was something much more fundamental wrong with him.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
No flies on you.

It's more than that though. There is something in the culture that works with the availability of weapons that makes this happen. Not sure what it is, but working on a theory that it's to do with the huge emphasis on consumption and acquisition and people not having a sense of who they are and what they are worth without counting up their piles of stuff. I realize that this is not scientific.
There is a very unpleasant culture of that kind in Calabasas.

I don't know if it was relevant in this case, but large numbers of teenagers are on medication for anxiety and/or depression, it is my belief that these meds can cause erratic behaviour.
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Default Re: 7 dead in Drive by shooting in CA seems one English kid who could not handle it.

Originally Posted by Sally Redux
There is a very unpleasant culture of that kind in Calabasas.

I don't know if it was relevant in this case, but large numbers of teenagers are on medication for anxiety and/or depression, it is my belief that these meds can cause erratic behaviour.
Its not just your belief, every mental health medication I have been prescribed have warnings about watching for behavior changes, changes in thoughts and so on, and these changes can be increased in children and teens and young adults, so these groups really need to be watched closely by doctors and family, especially when starting, stopping, or changes in dose.
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
There is a very unpleasant culture of that kind in Calabasas.

I don't know if it was relevant in this case, but large numbers of teenagers are on medication for anxiety and/or depression, it is my belief that these meds can cause erratic behaviour.
There are kids like that around the world but with such easy access to guns in the US (even in California), it's pretty easy for a kid or adult to kill a 1/2 dozen or more people. It's not very easy to kill even one person with a knife or bat and what may excite someone that has a mental illness is the idea of killing a lot of people and if they have to use a knife or bat where they couldn't kill a lot of people, it take the excitement away making it less likely they will act on their impulses.
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Its not just your belief, every mental health medication I have been prescribed have warnings about watching for behavior changes, changes in thoughts and so on, and these changes can be increased in children and teens and young adults, so these groups really need to be watched closely by doctors and family, especially when starting, stopping, or changes in dose.
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There are kids like that around the world but with such easy access to guns in the US (even in California), it's pretty easy for a kid or adult to kill a 1/2 dozen or more people. It's not very easy to kill even one person with a knife or bat and what may excite someone that has a mental illness is the idea of killing a lot of people and if they have to use a knife or bat where they couldn't kill a lot of people, it take the excitement away making it less likely they will act on their impulses.
Yes indeed to both.

I do feel a bit spooked today but I'm trying not to be because guns are just part of life here.
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Originally Posted by Michael
There are kids like that around the world but with such easy access to guns in the US (even in California), it's pretty easy for a kid or adult to kill a 1/2 dozen or more people. It's not very easy to kill even one person with a knife or bat and what may excite someone that has a mental illness is the idea of killing a lot of people and if they have to use a knife or bat where they couldn't kill a lot of people, it take the excitement away making it less likely they will act on their impulses.
I am pretty sure it is publicity, this hits all the spots so will be widely covered.

Look at the somewhat belated fuss about the Nigerian girls that were kidnapped, it was mentioned that it was not considered a biggie by the Nigerians, not that unusual, well maybe the numbers at one time. Even in that area machetes probably still rule the roost.
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We also have to be very careful just what we say on here, it's always possible that parents etc of the young man could be members. None of us know as usernames are usually made up.
He was, obviously, a very troubled young man, with major issues, in the same way that many others who do this are.
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Like Boiler, in case you were wondering it was not me.

I am sort of intrigued as to what restrictions you had in mind?
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what a terrible thing to happen, I only watched the 1st minute and a half of his video and could tell just from that he was a fruit loop! people like this will end up doing something crazy whether its with a gun, a knife, or just their hands in my opinion.
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Originally Posted by Sally Redux
There is a very unpleasant culture of that kind in Calabasas.

I don't know if it was relevant in this case, but large numbers of teenagers are on medication for anxiety and/or depression, it is my belief that these meds can cause erratic behaviour.
Bingo. Look at how Xanax hid their research showing the drastic side-effects of Xanax a decade or two ago. And sit through the second half of any breezy advert for drugs like "Abilify", in which they go through a long list of side effects that add up to "a dozen times worse than before you started taking the drug"
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Originally Posted by Michael
It's not very easy to kill even one person with a knife or bat and what may excite someone that has a mental illness is the idea of killing a lot of people and if they have to use a knife or bat where they couldn't kill a lot of people, it take the excitement away making it less likely they will act on their impulses.

The story, thus far, is he killed half of his victims with a knife. 3 stabbed, 3 shot.

I opine his motive was 'fame', and not excitement. He could have gone to six flags if he wanted excitement. Our appetite for sensational news stories has whipped the media in to a frenzy we all feast on, just as the wacko hoped it would. Not sure what the solution is...
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Knife would be his British upbringing.
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Originally Posted by dunroving
Bingo. Look at how Xanax hid their research showing the drastic side-effects of Xanax a decade or two ago. And sit through the second half of any breezy advert for drugs like "Abilify", in which they go through a long list of side effects that add up to "a dozen times worse than before you started taking the drug"
Xanax is definitely a wild card one.
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what a terrible thing to happen, I only watched the 1st minute and a half of his video and could tell just from that he was a fruit loop! people like this will end up doing something crazy whether its with a gun, a knife, or just their hands in my opinion.
http://www.latimes.com/local/lanow/l...524-story.html

Guns were not the whole story, true, but I still feel that someone easily being able to purchase 3 handguns is not healthy. We may speculate that his fantasies of retribution were more likely to be fuelled by the guns.
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Knife would be his British upbringing.
I doubt it.

It is illegal to sell cutlery to anyone under 18 in England, let alone anything really sharp.
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