2020 Election
#976
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Joined: Mar 2004
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Re: 2020 Election
People so soon forget, we need to remember what the option was, my feeling is often people vote for the least worst.
All the Dems need to do to win is nominate somebody half decent without the baggage of progressive policies. Not rocket science.
All the Dems need to do to win is nominate somebody half decent without the baggage of progressive policies. Not rocket science.
#977
Lost in BE Cyberspace
Joined: Jan 2006
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 12,865
Re: 2020 Election
An interesting dissection of the likely reasons why Harris has dropped in the polls. My feeling is echoed in the last paragraph of it: she just isn't a great candidate and comes across poorly compared to Warren etc. I expected her to do much better post the first debate, but I can't see she'll get near the nomination now:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...rris-campaign/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...rris-campaign/
#978
Re: 2020 Election
Really? I’d take Trump/any Republican nominee over crackpot radical socialists.
If you have kids, you should offer one of your children $10 to clean your house. Give the child that didn’t help $7, and the child that cleaned $3. Basically how the economy will go if any of those morons get elected.
#979
Re: 2020 Election
An interesting dissection of the likely reasons why Harris has dropped in the polls. My feeling is echoed in the last paragraph of it: she just isn't a great candidate and comes across poorly compared to Warren etc. I expected her to do much better post the first debate, but I can't see she'll get near the nomination now:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...rris-campaign/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...rris-campaign/
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#981
Re: 2020 Election
Personally I don't see how a third party hasn't thrived as I think both sides are absolutely nuts.
#982
Heading for Poppyland
Joined: Jul 2007
Location: North Norfolk and northern New York State
Posts: 14,543
Re: 2020 Election
So, like a Susan Collins but under a Dem label rather than GOP?
#983
Re: 2020 Election
An interesting dissection of the likely reasons why Harris has dropped in the polls. My feeling is echoed in the last paragraph of it: she just isn't a great candidate and comes across poorly compared to Warren etc. I expected her to do much better post the first debate, but I can't see she'll get near the nomination now:
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...rris-campaign/
https://fivethirtyeight.com/features...rris-campaign/
I'm reluctantly trying to convince myself Warren is worthy at the moment. I'm actually thinking Klobuchar needs a second look. Biden worries me but - oh well, if he can win, let's do it. Only Sanders really scares me - too many controversial positions combined with an awful delivery method (which needs to be better in order to 'sell' his positions to swing voters). I just can't stand watching him wag his finger all the time! Maybe Warren can pull off the 'sale' of her policies. I still have that sinking feeling that Trump could do it.
Last edited by Steerpike; Oct 8th 2019 at 10:29 pm.
#984
Re: 2020 Election
It's a shame you didn't just stick with 'disability'. Why introduce 'just plain lazy'? I will happily see my taxes go to anyone with a disability ... but not to someone who is 'just plain lazy'. There's an interesting debate, I guess, to be had regarding what 'should' happen to lazy people, but I don't think they deserve the same treatment as disabled.
#985
Re: 2020 Election
Do I get to choose my Island of preference? I can think of quite a few Islands that I would like to share with more saner people.
#986
Re: 2020 Election
It's a shame you didn't just stick with 'disability'. Why introduce 'just plain lazy'? I will happily see my taxes go to anyone with a disability ... but not to someone who is 'just plain lazy'. There's an interesting debate, I guess, to be had regarding what 'should' happen to lazy people, but I don't think they deserve the same treatment as disabled.
I suppose under a Benk91 Victorian philosophy, reintroducing the Victorian workhouse would be a solution.
#987
Re: 2020 Election
Not a rhetorical question, but how does one decide if one person has a disability (cognitive) and another is lazy? Given that both are the result of a combination of brain chemistry and experience? The extremes might be intuitive, but I have no idea how Is go about creating a rubric to decide one over the other.
#988
Re: 2020 Election
Not a rhetorical question, but how does one decide if one person has a disability (cognitive) and another is lazy? Given that both are the result of a combination of brain chemistry and experience? The extremes might be intuitive, but I have no idea how Is go about creating a rubric to decide one over the other.
For simplicity, can we make an assumption that we are talking about a basic 'manual' task, such as 'clearing the snow' or 'cleaning a room'? That would eliminate some elements of cognitive struggles. I would think 'reward' is a key element of this. So if, for example, I say to someone, "I'll give you $10 to clear the snow", then the first question may be, is the reward sufficient motivation? If they turn down $10 but accept $20, I think we've established (or got closer to establishing) they are lacking motivation and/or, are 'lazy'. Also, if they completed the task 'last week' but don't want to do it this week, that may suggest this is not a mental issue.
Am I correctly understanding where you are going with this?
#989
BE Enthusiast
Joined: Feb 2017
Location: Newnan, GA
Posts: 802
Re: 2020 Election
Interestingly, to me, family is pretty much a small version of Socialism - we care for children, not expect them to go off and earn their own way, because we know for a period they need to be educated and probably can't compete very effectively when they can only crawl around and fail to use a common language with anyone else in the workplace.
In some cases, adults within the family unit may well stay at home to enable another to earn the crust - people accept the need to do something for the greater good of the "family".
Generally speaking, while the children in a family unit eventually have the chance to shine on their own, there still remains a support network in place, right up to an including inheriting everything, which may have been through no input they gave personally.
Healthcare is provided free at the point of need - children are not charged for the application of a plaster, or for needing a bed for a couple of days when they have the flu or a cold.
Given that (and yes, it's a stupid equivalence) it's not odd that some forms of Socialist policy may be appealing to the masses. Equally, each family is more than happy to compete with others for the available resources, and in any Communist State you can see Elites form and corruption become rampant. Therefore, Free Market Policies also have many supporters. Both are in our instinct - fight to survive, care for those around us.
It's my personal conclusion that Extremes of Right and Left are always doomed to fail, thanks to Human Nature. The trick is building a compelling case of a mix - that doesn't mean being in the middle, it means testing out policies to see what real impact they have, and judging them by how Society changes for the better or worse.
In some cases, adults within the family unit may well stay at home to enable another to earn the crust - people accept the need to do something for the greater good of the "family".
Generally speaking, while the children in a family unit eventually have the chance to shine on their own, there still remains a support network in place, right up to an including inheriting everything, which may have been through no input they gave personally.
Healthcare is provided free at the point of need - children are not charged for the application of a plaster, or for needing a bed for a couple of days when they have the flu or a cold.
Given that (and yes, it's a stupid equivalence) it's not odd that some forms of Socialist policy may be appealing to the masses. Equally, each family is more than happy to compete with others for the available resources, and in any Communist State you can see Elites form and corruption become rampant. Therefore, Free Market Policies also have many supporters. Both are in our instinct - fight to survive, care for those around us.
It's my personal conclusion that Extremes of Right and Left are always doomed to fail, thanks to Human Nature. The trick is building a compelling case of a mix - that doesn't mean being in the middle, it means testing out policies to see what real impact they have, and judging them by how Society changes for the better or worse.
#990
Re: 2020 Election