Giantaxe

O'Rouke isn't going to be around much longer.

Agree with you on Sanders and Warren. If it were a choice between those two I feel I would vote for Warren. Of course, those two aren't actually debating each other at this point so it's early days.

I increasingly like Buttigieg, even though I still can't pronounce his name. On the flip side my biggest disappointment is Klobuchar. I had high expectations of here and they just haven't been met. Really shot herself in the foot with her "economic anxiety" comment.

Oh and CNN did a lot better job on debate logistics than NBC did. Not that that was difficult!

Steerpike

Do you think Pelosi SHOULD start impeachment proceedings, knowing full well that, as things stand today, the procedure will fail? Yes, it will provide political theater but is that in anyone's interest? The republican's effort to impeach Bill Clinton not only failed, but increased his popularity. That's the last thing we want to do for Trump.

Steerpike

I agree also. They both get on my nerves in a way that makes me worry that they won't pass the sniff test in the final competition (the one that matters). But Warren does come across as sincere / committed, and if she were to win, I'd be happy. Hoping that Harris does well ...

zargof

Yeah Pelosi should begin impeachment proceedings if she thinks that Trump's conduct has been impeachable. Based on her rhetoric I think that would be a true statement. If she doesn't then that would mean she was putting party before country. Doesn't that mean any criticism of a Republican supporting Trump seems rather hollow?

Also the theatre puts Trump's conduct front and center in the media rather than Trump's latest racist tweets.

Steerpike

If starting a process that backfires and gives Trump the sympathy vote (as it did with Clinton) and allows him to win the next election is 'putting country first', then that's a weird way of putting the country first.

zargof

If you think that a President is corrupt and should be impeached and choose to do nothing about because it might hurt your party, then I don't know of any other way to describe it.

If you don't think Trump should be impeached, then I guess you don't think that anything he is doing is that bad for the country. How can he be a monster who should not be President, but at the same time the option to remove him from office is not being used. And yes I know the Republicans won't convict in the Senate. Then get them on record as such. Because right now it is Pelosi and the Democrats who are saying he isn't that bad. What sort of message does this send to minorities in this country than Trump's policies are hurting so badly? Is that going to encourage them to vote for Democrats if they are prepared to fight for them.

Also, I think it's a false equivalence to compare Trump to Clinton on impeachment. And it's bullshit anyway. From https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Impeac..._ramifications

"While Clinton's job approval rating rose during the Clinton-Lewinsky scandal and subsequent impeachment, his poll numbers with regard to questions of honesty, integrity and moral character declined.[39] As a result, "moral character" and "honesty" weighed heavily in the next presidential election. According to The Daily Princetonian, after the 2000 presidential election, "post-election polls found that, in the wake of Clinton-era scandals, the single most significant reason people voted for Bush was for his moral character."

scrubbedexpat099

Tonight should be somewhat more diverse.

Last night there were only really 2 contenders who seemed to have agreed not to have a go at each other, tonight should be more interesting.

zargof

Biden has hinted that he will go after Harris' record as a prosecutor. It will be interesting to see how that affects things.

scrubbedexpat099

Yesterday was rather boring, hopefully the blood will flow today.

Steerpike

Nothing would make me happier than to see Trump impeached (well ... it would give us Pence, would it not ... but let's ignore that nightmare for now). I think he deserves it. But if we know it won't succeed, then it is a rhetorical effort, and we have to consider the ramifications. So if I thought the process would do him harm, I'd be in favor of it. I'm not convinced either way; yes, focusing on his bad behavior may work for the democrats, but it may not. I'd prefer to see the democrats focus on putting a good candidate forward, and proposing realistic policies.

zargof

I don't see how impeaching helps Trump. He would no longer control the narrative. I just don't see the downside. Again you're playing politics though, why if Trump is so bad wouldn't you want to impeach. Is it because even though you think Trump is terrible, he isn't really doing anything that hurts you personally?

It's the same with your talk of "realistic" policies. With the current corruption in Washington, the only "realistic" policies are the ones that help the rich. Bernie Sanders is the only one actually talking about a solution to the question of how you get anything passed. You go to the people. You campaign against anyone that gets in your way. He still needs to go further and be clear that this means centrist Democrats as well as Republicans. But some of the other clowns seem to think that once Trump is defeated that somehow the fever will break and Republicans will suddenly become sensible again. Apparently they have problems with their memory and forget when Obama was President.

BEVS

Not that you need this but karma for your last few posts.

scrubbedexpat099

Well so far Tulsi is the only one with any honour.

Lot of soundbites for Trump adds.

Kamala can not shut up, Biden going for the kill. In a confused way. They both have gone over the cliff hand in hand.

Tulsi all the way.

BenK91

scrubbedexpat099

Well the also rans are getting a bit of a free pass, can you imagine what it will be like when we get down to the hard core?

If there have been a hands up I missed it.