2020 Election
Jun 29th 2019, 5:43 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
I believe that is the only way it could work, but doesn't that undercut the whole point? Would the premium be sufficient to cover the program expenses? Isn't this just exposing Medicare to the sickest people that can't/won't get insurance elsewhere?
The questions are nearly endless as to how this would actually work.
The questions are nearly endless as to how this would actually work.
Jun 29th 2019, 5:45 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
"I am black and I am proud of it.'
If that's playing the "African American Card" then... ok. Sounds like it's the other side that would like to play that card against her.
She's very impressive. Not ready to vote for her yet, but she is one of about five that I would be fine with as the Democratic candidate. As for baggage, the biggest thing that will be held against her is that when she was San Francisco's DA, she declined to press for the death penalty in a case where a police officer was murdered. The murderer got life without possibility of parole. It was a hugely controversial moment with Dianne Feinstein denouncing the decision at the police officer's funeral.
If that's playing the "African American Card" then... ok. Sounds like it's the other side that would like to play that card against her.
She's very impressive. Not ready to vote for her yet, but she is one of about five that I would be fine with as the Democratic candidate. As for baggage, the biggest thing that will be held against her is that when she was San Francisco's DA, she declined to press for the death penalty in a case where a police officer was murdered. The murderer got life without possibility of parole. It was a hugely controversial moment with Dianne Feinstein denouncing the decision at the police officer's funeral.
Jun 29th 2019, 5:49 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
Pretty sure the version that is being proposed does not require somebody to be able to afford to buy in.
Medicare is something that most people to get at least the basic version as an entitlement.
I thought the Castro bit about M4A covering abortions for males was a bit odd.
Medicare is something that most people to get at least the basic version as an entitlement.
I thought the Castro bit about M4A covering abortions for males was a bit odd.
Jun 29th 2019, 5:54 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
So that's perhaps the best reason why 'medicare for all' needs to be an exclusive system, and private insurance has to be all-but eliminated. If the primary payment method for M4A is going to be taxation on income, then it will have to be paid by everyone which would be an issue with private insurance. So the only way my 'preferred' M4A' solution would work (opt-in) would be to have M4A participants below the age of 65 pay a premium just like an insurance premium. Would that work?
Over 65 - Medicare provided 'for free' by govt. (no change)
Under 65 choosing to 'opt in' to Medicare - pay a fee to the govt to cover the cost
Under 65 choosing to stay with private insurance - pay a premium to an insurance company (or get the premium paid by the employer).
In other words, you can't provide 'M4A' through taxation. I'm perfectly OK with that but would it work?
Over 65 - Medicare provided 'for free' by govt. (no change)
Under 65 choosing to 'opt in' to Medicare - pay a fee to the govt to cover the cost
Under 65 choosing to stay with private insurance - pay a premium to an insurance company (or get the premium paid by the employer).
In other words, you can't provide 'M4A' through taxation. I'm perfectly OK with that but would it work?
Jun 29th 2019, 5:55 pm
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Boiler - you are a piece of work!
What on earth is the relevance of reparations? That is so far 'out there' as to be ridiculous. What if she did qualify? What if she didn't? You are just trying to keep alive a narrative that is not relevant.
You were really taken aback? You, for whom " I certainly do not know the full extent" is a regular expression? You really think she has 'so many issues'? You are playing games.
ETA: seems like a lot of people don't quite see 'so many issues' - https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...debate-1390512
What on earth is the relevance of reparations? That is so far 'out there' as to be ridiculous. What if she did qualify? What if she didn't? You are just trying to keep alive a narrative that is not relevant.
ETA: seems like a lot of people don't quite see 'so many issues' - https://www.politico.com/story/2019/...debate-1390512
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Jun 29th 2019, 5:55 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
Boiler - you are a piece of work!
What on earth is the relevance of reparations? That is so far 'out there' as to be ridiculous. What if she did qualify? What if she didn't? You are just trying to keep alive a narrative that is not relevant.
You were really taken aback? You, for whom " I certainly do not know the full extent" is a regular expression? You really think she has 'so many issues'? You are playing games.
What on earth is the relevance of reparations? That is so far 'out there' as to be ridiculous. What if she did qualify? What if she didn't? You are just trying to keep alive a narrative that is not relevant.
You were really taken aback? You, for whom " I certainly do not know the full extent" is a regular expression? You really think she has 'so many issues'? You are playing games.
Jun 29th 2019, 5:58 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
What on earth is the relevance of reparations?
Jun 29th 2019, 6:02 pm
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"What a weird coincidence that a group of accounts, starting with Ali, decided to tweet the exact same thing (verbatim) about Kamala Harris within minutes of each other tonight. "
https://www.nytimes.com/2019/06/28/u...la-harris.html
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Jun 29th 2019, 6:04 pm
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The ACA provides premium assistance in the form of tax credits. So if the 'undocumented' in question are paying taxes, presumably that's how it would work.
Are you asking this to bring up the issue of whether or not the undocumented will get state-subsidized healthcare? Search Engine Optimization techniques, perhaps - throw all the keywords into a post and it will show up in google searches?
Are you asking this to bring up the issue of whether or not the undocumented will get state-subsidized healthcare? Search Engine Optimization techniques, perhaps - throw all the keywords into a post and it will show up in google searches?
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Jun 29th 2019, 6:14 pm
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Amazing that this would be a topic of discussion.
Jun 29th 2019, 9:23 pm
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The ACA provides premium assistance in the form of tax credits. So if the 'undocumented' in question are paying taxes, presumably that's how it would work.
Are you asking this to bring up the issue of whether or not the undocumented will get state-subsidized healthcare? Search Engine Optimization techniques, perhaps - throw all the keywords into a post and it will show up in google searches?
Are you asking this to bring up the issue of whether or not the undocumented will get state-subsidized healthcare? Search Engine Optimization techniques, perhaps - throw all the keywords into a post and it will show up in google searches?
Jun 29th 2019, 9:25 pm
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I see. Her father was Jamaican and her mother was Indian. So she's clearly of 'African' descent on her father's side, which means she shares the same 'origins' as 'African Americans'. If her father is a black jamaican, one would presume his history includes being a descendent of slaves at some point - how else did his family end up in Jamaica?
Amazing that this would be a topic of discussion.
Amazing that this would be a topic of discussion.
Jun 29th 2019, 9:31 pm
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And by the way ... despite what you might think, you can actually be both African American AND a PHD at Berkeley ...
How hard is it to read up on her background? I knew she was the daughter of a Jamaican / Indian family 6 months ago. She's not hiding the fact.
Jun 29th 2019, 9:33 pm
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I'm telling you how subsides work with the ACA. You brought up 'undocumented'. I would imagine the 'undocumented' and those 'poor enough to be not paying taxes' are going to be in the same situation. So what's the relevance of 'undocumented' in this context, other than to try to keep that false narrative going?