2020 Election
#5791
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Re: 2020 Election
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Re: 2020 Election
It's a thing called "electoral fusion". It was created in NYS to break the power of the old-school political machines like Tammany Hall. In a nutshell, any candidate for office in NYS can be cross-nominated by as many political parties that have qualified to appear on the ballot as care to. The actual election is decided by the total number of votes for each individual, but the total number of votes cast for each party decides whether or not they appear on the ballot next election, and where (i.e. how high up the ballot paper).
Typically the left-wing Working Families Party cross nominate the Democratic candidates and the right-wing Independence and Conservative Parties cross-nominate the Republican candidates. But these smaller parties can and sometimes do nominate their own people for some races, and don't necessarily map directly to the mainstream party that you'd expect. For instance, a very conservative Democrat might not get cross-nominated by Working Families, and might even get cross-nominated by the Conservatives. It's a useful way for those knowledgeable about the system to know where candidates are located on the political spectrum.
This year we both voted for Biden/Harris and most of the down-ballot Democrats on the Working Families Party line, to ensure the WFP stays on the ballot (Governor Cuomo has been trying to get them off the ballot as they refused to cross-nominate him a couple of gubernatorial elections ago. Last time, he even managed to spin up an astro-turfed "Women's Equality Party" to undermine the WFP.)
Typically the left-wing Working Families Party cross nominate the Democratic candidates and the right-wing Independence and Conservative Parties cross-nominate the Republican candidates. But these smaller parties can and sometimes do nominate their own people for some races, and don't necessarily map directly to the mainstream party that you'd expect. For instance, a very conservative Democrat might not get cross-nominated by Working Families, and might even get cross-nominated by the Conservatives. It's a useful way for those knowledgeable about the system to know where candidates are located on the political spectrum.
This year we both voted for Biden/Harris and most of the down-ballot Democrats on the Working Families Party line, to ensure the WFP stays on the ballot (Governor Cuomo has been trying to get them off the ballot as they refused to cross-nominate him a couple of gubernatorial elections ago. Last time, he even managed to spin up an astro-turfed "Women's Equality Party" to undermine the WFP.)
#5793
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Re: 2020 Election
So one candidate can be voted for (once only) in multiple places? I could vote for (eg) Stefanik under 'party line A' or under 'party line B'? And it has no other impact other than where that 'party' shows up next time around? What is the difference between WFP staying on the ballot or not, if the candidates are already covered elsewhere? How odd! Yet another example of how states really do do things differently (from each other) in the US!
My wife always voted Democrat, I always voted WFP. This election I finally convinced her to vote on the WFP line, I think. (She won’t actually tell me.) I think the WFP is effective in places like NYC with candidate selection. Up here, in a profoundly Republican district, their presence is pretty meaningless. But the WFP need a certain number of votes across the state to retain their official status as a party.
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Re: 2020 Election
Here’s a part of our absentee ballot. (I didn’t use it because I voted in person.)
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Re: 2020 Election
Voter fraud in Georgia election is revealed.
Bill Price, a Florida lawyer, registered to vote in Georgia illegally, at the residential address of his brother. Apparently, he encouraged other republicans to do the same thing.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/...POTZKVMO5ESJQ/
Bill Price, a Florida lawyer, registered to vote in Georgia illegally, at the residential address of his brother. Apparently, he encouraged other republicans to do the same thing.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/...POTZKVMO5ESJQ/
#5796
Re: 2020 Election
Voter fraud in Georgia election is revealed.
Bill Price, a Florida lawyer, registered to vote in Georgia illegally, at the residential address of his brother. Apparently, he encouraged other republicans to do the same thing.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/...POTZKVMO5ESJQ/
Bill Price, a Florida lawyer, registered to vote in Georgia illegally, at the residential address of his brother. Apparently, he encouraged other republicans to do the same thing.
https://www.wsbtv.com/news/politics/...POTZKVMO5ESJQ/
#5797
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Re: 2020 Election
It seems that Trump will almost certainly run again in 2024, and will almost certainly win the Republican nomination (he will be younger four years from now than Biden is right now, after all).
Then if he loses again he will quite likely run in 2028, at age 82.
Democrats better hope they have a solid, centrist candidate both times. Hate to say it, but if the Dem candidate is a woman, latent or unconscious sexism could reactivate as a factor and be enough to swing the needle toward Trump.
Another Politico article: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...blicans-442728
Then if he loses again he will quite likely run in 2028, at age 82.
Democrats better hope they have a solid, centrist candidate both times. Hate to say it, but if the Dem candidate is a woman, latent or unconscious sexism could reactivate as a factor and be enough to swing the needle toward Trump.
Another Politico article: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...blicans-442728
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Re: 2020 Election
It could happen, but I think it’s pretty unlikely. Assuming he’s still alive, I think his health status - mental and physical - in four (well, three) years time will mean that he will not be seen as a viable candidate for 2024. To be taken seriously, you need to be able to walk & talk and appear able and vigorous. Obviously, Biden and Trump both passed that test for 2020. Trump in 2023/24? I doubt it.
#5799
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I don't follow that at all! Elise Stefanik is described as a 'Republican', so what is the relevance of (eg) 'Conservative' (or 'Independence Party') in this context? Is this something unique to NY? This is what the Senate and House sections of my ballot (AZ) looked like:
#5800
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It could happen, but I think it’s pretty unlikely. Assuming he’s still alive, I think his health status - mental and physical - in four (well, three) years time will mean that he will not be seen as a viable candidate for 2024. To be taken seriously, you need to be able to walk & talk and appear able and vigorous. Obviously, Biden and Trump both passed that test for 2020. Trump in 2023/24? I doubt it.
Harris would be the heir apparent, I would think, but since she failed miserably in her first attempt at the nomination, it's not clear she would prevail. She was my original choice, but whether she's mainstream enough is a valid question. I preferred her from an 'idealistic' perspective, but having watched this election really closely, I do feel now the dems need to field a 'moderate' candidate again, like Biden, but one with greater energy. None of the current / recent batch jump to mind, and if they don't get the selection right, they will likely lose. I still think Bloomberg could have been a good candidate, but he messed up royally by starting out too late. Anyway, he's going to 'age out' anyway so not a contender.
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Re: 2020 Election
But "A" Trump could most certainly run - perhaps Don Jr ?
Harris would be the heir apparent, I would think, but since she failed miserably in her first attempt at the nomination, it's not clear she would prevail. She was my original choice, but whether she's mainstream enough is a valid question. I preferred her from an 'idealistic' perspective, but having watched this election really closely, I do feel now the dems need to field a 'moderate' candidate again, like Biden, but one with greater energy. None of the current / recent batch jump to mind, and if they don't get the selection right, they will likely lose. I still think Bloomberg could have been a good candidate, but he messed up royally by starting out too late. Anyway, he's going to 'age out' anyway so not a contender.
Harris would be the heir apparent, I would think, but since she failed miserably in her first attempt at the nomination, it's not clear she would prevail. She was my original choice, but whether she's mainstream enough is a valid question. I preferred her from an 'idealistic' perspective, but having watched this election really closely, I do feel now the dems need to field a 'moderate' candidate again, like Biden, but one with greater energy. None of the current / recent batch jump to mind, and if they don't get the selection right, they will likely lose. I still think Bloomberg could have been a good candidate, but he messed up royally by starting out too late. Anyway, he's going to 'age out' anyway so not a contender.
My original choice for 2020 was Harris, too. As for 2024, anything might happen between now and then. If Biden chooses not to seek a second term, by the we’d all know whether Harris was a good fit or not.
#5802
Re: 2020 Election
It seems that Trump will almost certainly run again in 2024, and will almost certainly win the Republican nomination (he will be younger four years from now than Biden is right now, after all).
Then if he loses again he will quite likely run in 2028, at age 82.
Democrats better hope they have a solid, centrist candidate both times. Hate to say it, but if the Dem candidate is a woman, latent or unconscious sexism could reactivate as a factor and be enough to swing the needle toward Trump.
Another Politico article: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...blicans-442728
Then if he loses again he will quite likely run in 2028, at age 82.
Democrats better hope they have a solid, centrist candidate both times. Hate to say it, but if the Dem candidate is a woman, latent or unconscious sexism could reactivate as a factor and be enough to swing the needle toward Trump.
Another Politico article: https://www.politico.com/news/2020/1...blicans-442728
#5804
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Rudy has covid. Wonder what legal eagle will handle those farcical lawsuits if he is out of service.