2020 Election
Apr 30th 2020, 3:32 pm
#2806
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Re: 2020 Election
No kid or grandchild of mine will ever pledge allegiance to Donald Trump. Isn't that what they do in america in schools? When they pledge allegiance to the flag every morning aren't they in fact pledging allegiance to the president? Or do they only do that in the movies like Kindergarten Cop? And he ain't my commander and chief he is yours 
The school where I work does not do it ever.
If anyone did chose to do the pledge then I would say you are choosing to pledge to Trump as President, as he is the President of the Republic. Such a pledge is an all or nothing offering. A my country right or wrong offering.
Last edited by kimilseung; Apr 30th 2020 at 3:36 pm.
Apr 30th 2020, 5:19 pm
#2807
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Re: 2020 Election
No child is compelled to do the pledge, my kid didn't do it, though the school gave everyone the opportunity to do it.
The school where I work does not do it ever.
If anyone did chose to do the pledge then I would say you are choosing to pledge to Trump as President, as he is the President of the Republic. Such a pledge is an all or nothing offering. A my country right or wrong offering.
The school where I work does not do it ever.
If anyone did chose to do the pledge then I would say you are choosing to pledge to Trump as President, as he is the President of the Republic. Such a pledge is an all or nothing offering. A my country right or wrong offering.
https://www.alternatehistory.com/for...-stands.84713/
Apr 30th 2020, 5:24 pm
#2808
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Re: 2020 Election
If anyone did chose to do the pledge then I would say you are choosing to pledge to Trump as President, as he is the President of the Republic.
You can agree with the reasons for the war, and not agree with the actions of the Generals. They aren't intrinsically linked in my view.
Apr 30th 2020, 5:26 pm
#2809
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Re: 2020 Election
Happily they have changed quite significantly, and hopefully will continue to do so.
Apr 30th 2020, 8:08 pm
#2810
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Re: 2020 Election
Boiler! Is this you?
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Trump fan arrested, off to kill Biden
"A QAnon Devotee Live-Streamed Her Trip to N.Y. to ‘Take Out’ Joe Biden"
Trump fan arrested, off to kill Biden
Apr 30th 2020, 8:19 pm
#2811
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Re: 2020 Election
There are not a few private schools where the pledge of allegiance is still done in the mornings. It doesn't reference the Presidence though de facto by pledge of allegiance to the Constitution, and of course mentions God. I assume, but don't know, many public schools away from the coasts may still have the Pledge as a requirement..
Apr 30th 2020, 9:17 pm
#2812
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Re: 2020 Election
Real question?
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality..
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality..
Apr 30th 2020, 9:30 pm
#2813
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Re: 2020 Election
In the mid 1980's the pledge was mandatory, you'd get in trouble for not doing it, around 4th or 5th grade the school dropped the pledge and played this land is your land each day before classes started, by 7th grade nothing was done at the start of the school day beyond the bell which really wasn't even a bell but an annoying noise.
My schools were always very diverse ethnic wise, people all over the world, so maybe that played a role in the schools I went to stopping it.
My schools were always very diverse ethnic wise, people all over the world, so maybe that played a role in the schools I went to stopping it.
Apr 30th 2020, 9:38 pm
#2815
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Re: 2020 Election
It is of course always amusing to look at the Bellamy salute that accompanied the pledge at the time of its introduction and in to the 30s when it became somewhat controversial, being officially replaced in 1942, with the hand over the heart thing.
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bell...w=1280&bih=881
https://www.google.com/search?q=Bell...w=1280&bih=881
Apr 30th 2020, 10:05 pm
#2816
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Re: 2020 Election
Real question?
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality..
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality..
Apr 30th 2020, 10:13 pm
#2817
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Re: 2020 Election
Real question?
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality..
A man named Bellamy introduced it at a time of high immigration, it was to make the children of these immigrants think of themselves as Americans rather than the ethnicity of their parents. He also sold flags, and some say it was a successful flag marketing campaign. Later, when the wording of the pledge was expanded, it was a tool in creating fear of Communism, and create an Us and Them mentality..
Apr 30th 2020, 10:33 pm
#2818
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Re: 2020 Election
The kids will pledging Biden in 12 months. The irony of your statement above to create fear of communism. And a virus originating from one of the last communist regimes on earth has destroyed the re-election of Donald Trump a man possibly assisted into office by the activity of another communist regime. Because he as screwed this up in such a terrible way it will be hard for him to recover from it.
If I read you correctly, you think that modern day Russia is a 'another communist regime'???
Perhaps you should familiarize yourself with the terms perestroika and Gorbachev.
Apr 30th 2020, 10:56 pm
#2819
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Re: 2020 Election
Either way the actions of Russia may have helped trump get into power and the possible failures of China might help take him out of it. Were it not for the coronavirus Biden would not have a chance but Trump is really in trouble now he is leading them to rack and ruin. I think Biden would have been a better leader in this.
May 1st 2020, 2:34 am
#2820
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Re: 2020 Election
I was gobsmacked to see this in the NYT, real journalism, somebody is in deep trouble.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/b...den-media.html
An excellent question, you would normally expect them to be all over a story like this. Mention that she may need to go on Fox, which as a Dem she does not want to do.
https://www.nytimes.com/2020/04/30/b...den-media.html
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