2020 Election
Apr 6th 2020, 4:51 pm
#2431
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Re: 2020 Election
He behaves like a strongman because the conservative base like this type of fascist behaviour. They support him no matter how dispicable he behaves, because at the end of the day he is their guy. Conservatives are behaving in a very tribal manner.
Apr 6th 2020, 5:52 pm
#2433
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Re: 2020 Election
How long have you lived in the United States? Donald Trump has had near-universal household name recognition across the United States as Mr Gross Skeevy Slimy Grifter for nearly 40 years now, not just from his TV show but from running the swimsuit competitions, high-profile womanising and being a casino boss dating back to the 1980s. He even owned an airline with his name on it for a while. He didn't crawl out from under a rock or just explode onto the scene suddenly circa 2014.
Nobody went to the polls in 2016 thinking he was Mr Sunday Church Altar Boy.
Nobody went to the polls in 2016 thinking he was Mr Sunday Church Altar Boy.
How long have I lived in the United States, going on 67 years now, ever since I was born (in Ann Arbor, Michigan).
No, no one went to the polls in 2016 thinking he was a decent, moral man, but few people really knew the breath and depth of his greed, stupidity, and incompetence. His reputation was 1. A successful, billionaire real estate investor and hotel developer: 2. A successful reality show host. He hadn't just crawled out from under a rock, but the full light of the sun was not shining on him yet. Now, he has had three-plus years to show off his greed, arrogance, stupidity, and laziness. The inadequate little man has stepped out from behind the elegant velvet curtain. And to repeat myself from an earlier post, none of this will make any difference to the obedient little doggies who make up most of his following. A percentage will have been disgusted by him, however, and either stay home, or vote for the candidate from the "Patriotic 'Murican Constitutional Party"; or, in other words, throw there vote down an open manhole.
Apr 6th 2020, 6:02 pm
#2434
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Re: 2020 Election
I see the the Acting Navy Secretary's speech to the sailors on the Theodore Roosevelt has been leaked. So another break down in military discipline, presumably...
"Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said on Monday he stands by "every word" he said to the crew of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, after leaked audio revealed a profanity-laced speech in which he called the ship's former commanding officer "naive" and "stupid."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...captain-168482
Apr 6th 2020, 6:02 pm
#2435
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Re: 2020 Election
Trump did not remove Crozier. The Navy removed Crozier. US Presidents do not so micromanage that they get involved in the decisions of who captains what ship. Trump declined to get involved when the issue came to his desk, and it would not have come to his desk had it not become so high-profile.
I would guess that the decision to remove him, did not have to do with coronavirus but had to do with the security implications of publicly broadcasting to the world that a particular aircraft carrier in a strategically important part of the world was out of action, and why it was out of action.
I would guess that the decision to remove him, did not have to do with coronavirus but had to do with the security implications of publicly broadcasting to the world that a particular aircraft carrier in a strategically important part of the world was out of action, and why it was out of action.
Please. You're THAT gullible, are you? Of course Crozier was removed (via military channels) from his command on Donald's insistence. Reports from government officials have Donald saying "I want him gone!" Do you honestly believe that Donald did not get his fingers involved in this whole episode? He gets personally involved in EVERYTHING.
As far as your second statement about the "security implications", that statement has a very nice "Fox News" ring to it. Or perhaps I should use Donald's new favorite station, One America News Network (the station to view when Fox News Network is not quite right-wing enough).
Apr 6th 2020, 11:26 pm
#2436
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Re: 2020 Election
Sorry but most of this post is fantasy and wishful thinking.
1. Sure, African-Americans and Latinos may "stay home" like they did in 2016. Far from "no chance."
2. You are assuming that the Republican turnout will stay flat - turnout was down in 2016 across the board, not just among minorities, why do you think Republicans will "stay at home" like they did in 2016?
3. The "Latino vote" is not a one-dimensional block. This is why Republicans have been successful in Florida. I don't see an extra 200,000 net Latino Democratic votes in South Florida, Orange County and Tampa that are just going to fall into Biden's lap just by lazy gravitational pull, the way you do. Biden can win Florida but will have to campaign hard and spend a lot of resources there.
4. There were significant structural reasons that Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, that Biden will need to address. Assuming they will just automatically fall back to the Democrats because you don't like Trump, is mistaken.
5. The Democrats have developed a big problem in Ohio that needs fixing, immediately. That is a big swing state that cannot just be conceded to the Republicans. If the Republicans have to spend time and resources there, that means less they can spend in Virginia, Florida, Michigan etc.
6. What happens with the virus is anybody's guess. Comparing a global medical pandemic emergency to the country directly being attacked by terrorists 20 years ago, is silly. Not even an apples to oranges comparison. More like apples to crocodiles.
1. Sure, African-Americans and Latinos may "stay home" like they did in 2016. Far from "no chance."
2. You are assuming that the Republican turnout will stay flat - turnout was down in 2016 across the board, not just among minorities, why do you think Republicans will "stay at home" like they did in 2016?
3. The "Latino vote" is not a one-dimensional block. This is why Republicans have been successful in Florida. I don't see an extra 200,000 net Latino Democratic votes in South Florida, Orange County and Tampa that are just going to fall into Biden's lap just by lazy gravitational pull, the way you do. Biden can win Florida but will have to campaign hard and spend a lot of resources there.
4. There were significant structural reasons that Clinton lost Michigan, Pennsylvania and Wisconsin, that Biden will need to address. Assuming they will just automatically fall back to the Democrats because you don't like Trump, is mistaken.
5. The Democrats have developed a big problem in Ohio that needs fixing, immediately. That is a big swing state that cannot just be conceded to the Republicans. If the Republicans have to spend time and resources there, that means less they can spend in Virginia, Florida, Michigan etc.
6. What happens with the virus is anybody's guess. Comparing a global medical pandemic emergency to the country directly being attacked by terrorists 20 years ago, is silly. Not even an apples to oranges comparison. More like apples to crocodiles.
And now add in the fact that the one thing Trump pointed to(the uptick in the economy) is gone, and in fact is about to sadly get much worse, and it's not coming back any time this year. Oh yes, voters will want a change. I can see the attack ads against Trump how he did not take this deadly virus serious when it could have mattered. Those ads will be running in every state that matters. And all they have to do is use commercials featuring Trump in his own words calling this national threat a Hoax. I think Trump is already upset about a few simple ads that are using his words against him. Wait till the fall when over one billion dollars in advertising is unleashed.
Btw, the main swing states are not Ohio, Florida and Arizona. Those are just states that money will be spent in just to pend Trump down and further narrow his paths to victory. Pennsylvania, Michigan and Wisconsin which btw have more registered Democrat voters than Republican, those are the true prizes. Trump is in serious Trouble.
Apr 7th 2020, 5:00 am
#2437
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Re: 2020 Election
Again, you have made several assumptions in your post, which are dubious at best. Your first statement was demonstrably false - Obama did not grow his base and still won in 2012.
One assumption that you have made, is that Biden is a lock to carry all the states Hillary Clinton won in 2016.
As noted - that is a dangerous assumption to make when Biden and the Democratic Party have done nothing to alleviate the negative trend in the Upper Midwest. Trump was only 45,000 votes in Minnesota away from sweeping the Upper Midwest bar Illinois - a region Obama swept in 2008, and in 2012, only lost Indiana.
Clinton only won Minnesota by 1.5%. She only won New Hampshire by 1.5%. She only won Nevada by 1.5%. Maine by 3% - but she actually lost ME-02 by a whopping 10%, and so only got 3 of Maine's 4 electoral votes. Colorado and Virginia were 5% - so maybe a little bit of breathing room, but not much. Colorado and Virginia are not in the bag and Biden will have to campaign there. New Mexico was 8%, but the Libertarian candidate got 9.5% there - he was a popular former governor of New Mexico - and unlikely libertarian votes will siphon off to the Democrats this time around. There will be substantial tightening there and Biden will need to campaign in New Mexico too.
Any one of those states flips, and your plan to sit back and watch PA-MI-WI just naturally fall back and create an easy win, goes poof. That's if the plan to win those three states back works, because Trump won all of them before and it is hard to discern why those trends in support I've already outlined might have been reversed.
Your statement that Florida is not a swing state and is just a trick to tie down Trump's resources is bizarre. There was a 1% margin there, Florida is a very expensive state to campaign in and Biden isn't going to pour resources into there as part of a shell game. Both sides will compete vigorously for it as well they should. Putting all of the eggs in the MI-PA-WI basket is simply stupid and if Biden does that he will lose. Why would you bet on 3 states where the trend is going against you, and ignore 1 very big state with a 1% margin, where the trend is going for you?
Joe Biden has been a Senator or Vice President for 48 years. There is plenty of things that can and will be dug up on him including from back in the 1970s. Attacks on Biden will not be limited to just 2017-2020. Build up half a century as a Beltway Insider and there is plenty of muck that can be used against you.
This is not going to be the cakewalk that you think it is going to be.
One assumption that you have made, is that Biden is a lock to carry all the states Hillary Clinton won in 2016.
As noted - that is a dangerous assumption to make when Biden and the Democratic Party have done nothing to alleviate the negative trend in the Upper Midwest. Trump was only 45,000 votes in Minnesota away from sweeping the Upper Midwest bar Illinois - a region Obama swept in 2008, and in 2012, only lost Indiana.
Clinton only won Minnesota by 1.5%. She only won New Hampshire by 1.5%. She only won Nevada by 1.5%. Maine by 3% - but she actually lost ME-02 by a whopping 10%, and so only got 3 of Maine's 4 electoral votes. Colorado and Virginia were 5% - so maybe a little bit of breathing room, but not much. Colorado and Virginia are not in the bag and Biden will have to campaign there. New Mexico was 8%, but the Libertarian candidate got 9.5% there - he was a popular former governor of New Mexico - and unlikely libertarian votes will siphon off to the Democrats this time around. There will be substantial tightening there and Biden will need to campaign in New Mexico too.
Any one of those states flips, and your plan to sit back and watch PA-MI-WI just naturally fall back and create an easy win, goes poof. That's if the plan to win those three states back works, because Trump won all of them before and it is hard to discern why those trends in support I've already outlined might have been reversed.
Your statement that Florida is not a swing state and is just a trick to tie down Trump's resources is bizarre. There was a 1% margin there, Florida is a very expensive state to campaign in and Biden isn't going to pour resources into there as part of a shell game. Both sides will compete vigorously for it as well they should. Putting all of the eggs in the MI-PA-WI basket is simply stupid and if Biden does that he will lose. Why would you bet on 3 states where the trend is going against you, and ignore 1 very big state with a 1% margin, where the trend is going for you?
Joe Biden has been a Senator or Vice President for 48 years. There is plenty of things that can and will be dug up on him including from back in the 1970s. Attacks on Biden will not be limited to just 2017-2020. Build up half a century as a Beltway Insider and there is plenty of muck that can be used against you.
This is not going to be the cakewalk that you think it is going to be.
Apr 7th 2020, 5:35 am
#2438
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Re: 2020 Election
Again, you have made several assumptions in your post, which are dubious at best. Your first statement was demonstrably false - Obama did not grow his base and still won in 2012.
One assumption that you have made, is that Biden is a lock to carry all the states Hillary Clinton won in 2016.
As noted - that is a dangerous assumption to make when Biden and the Democratic Party have done nothing to alleviate the negative trend in the Upper Midwest. Trump was only 45,000 votes in Minnesota away from sweeping the Upper Midwest bar Illinois - a region Obama swept in 2008, and in 2012, only lost Indiana.
Clinton only won Minnesota by 1.5%. She only won New Hampshire by 1.5%. She only won Nevada by 1.5%. Maine by 3% - but she actually lost ME-02 by a whopping 10%, and so only got 3 of Maine's 4 electoral votes. Colorado and Virginia were 5% - so maybe a little bit of breathing room, but not much. Colorado and Virginia are not in the bag and Biden will have to campaign there. New Mexico was 8%, but the Libertarian candidate got 9.5% there - he was a popular former governor of New Mexico - and unlikely libertarian votes will siphon off to the Democrats this time around. There will be substantial tightening there and Biden will need to campaign in New Mexico too.
Any one of those states flips, and your plan to sit back and watch PA-MI-WI just naturally fall back and create an easy win, goes poof. That's if the plan to win those three states back works, because Trump won all of them before and it is hard to discern why those trends in support I've already outlined might have been reversed.
Your statement that Florida is not a swing state and is just a trick to tie down Trump's resources is bizarre. There was a 1% margin there, Florida is a very expensive state to campaign in and Biden isn't going to pour resources into there as part of a shell game. Both sides will compete vigorously for it as well they should. Putting all of the eggs in the MI-PA-WI basket is simply stupid and if Biden does that he will lose. Why would you bet on 3 states where the trend is going against you, and ignore 1 very big state with a 1% margin, where the trend is going for you?
Joe Biden has been a Senator or Vice President for 48 years. There is plenty of things that can and will be dug up on him including from back in the 1970s. Attacks on Biden will not be limited to just 2017-2020. Build up half a century as a Beltway Insider and there is plenty of muck that can be used against you.
This is not going to be the cakewalk that you think it is going to be.
One assumption that you have made, is that Biden is a lock to carry all the states Hillary Clinton won in 2016.
As noted - that is a dangerous assumption to make when Biden and the Democratic Party have done nothing to alleviate the negative trend in the Upper Midwest. Trump was only 45,000 votes in Minnesota away from sweeping the Upper Midwest bar Illinois - a region Obama swept in 2008, and in 2012, only lost Indiana.
Clinton only won Minnesota by 1.5%. She only won New Hampshire by 1.5%. She only won Nevada by 1.5%. Maine by 3% - but she actually lost ME-02 by a whopping 10%, and so only got 3 of Maine's 4 electoral votes. Colorado and Virginia were 5% - so maybe a little bit of breathing room, but not much. Colorado and Virginia are not in the bag and Biden will have to campaign there. New Mexico was 8%, but the Libertarian candidate got 9.5% there - he was a popular former governor of New Mexico - and unlikely libertarian votes will siphon off to the Democrats this time around. There will be substantial tightening there and Biden will need to campaign in New Mexico too.
Any one of those states flips, and your plan to sit back and watch PA-MI-WI just naturally fall back and create an easy win, goes poof. That's if the plan to win those three states back works, because Trump won all of them before and it is hard to discern why those trends in support I've already outlined might have been reversed.
Your statement that Florida is not a swing state and is just a trick to tie down Trump's resources is bizarre. There was a 1% margin there, Florida is a very expensive state to campaign in and Biden isn't going to pour resources into there as part of a shell game. Both sides will compete vigorously for it as well they should. Putting all of the eggs in the MI-PA-WI basket is simply stupid and if Biden does that he will lose. Why would you bet on 3 states where the trend is going against you, and ignore 1 very big state with a 1% margin, where the trend is going for you?
Joe Biden has been a Senator or Vice President for 48 years. There is plenty of things that can and will be dug up on him including from back in the 1970s. Attacks on Biden will not be limited to just 2017-2020. Build up half a century as a Beltway Insider and there is plenty of muck that can be used against you.
This is not going to be the cakewalk that you think it is going to be.
Apr 7th 2020, 11:25 am
#2439
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Re: 2020 Election
Yeah. Just way too volatile to make a prediction one way or the other right now.
Apr 7th 2020, 11:31 am
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Re: 2020 Election
It's an issue because it's part of a pattern of political apppointees and Trump getting involved in lower level military decisions. Remember how Trump got involved in reinstating a war criminal over strenuous objections from within the military? So what we have is a situation - of Trump's own making - where there is a clear lack of trust.
I see the the Acting Navy Secretary's speech to the sailors on the Theodore Roosevelt has been leaked. So another break down in military discipline, presumably...
"Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said on Monday he stands by "every word" he said to the crew of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, after leaked audio revealed a profanity-laced speech in which he called the ship's former commanding officer "naive" and "stupid."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...captain-168482
I see the the Acting Navy Secretary's speech to the sailors on the Theodore Roosevelt has been leaked. So another break down in military discipline, presumably...
"Acting Navy Secretary Thomas Modly said on Monday he stands by "every word" he said to the crew of the aircraft carrier USS Theodore Roosevelt, after leaked audio revealed a profanity-laced speech in which he called the ship's former commanding officer "naive" and "stupid."
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...captain-168482
Apr 7th 2020, 11:47 am
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Re: 2020 Election
Hydroxychloroquine
In NYT :- Trumps family Trust have investments in Sanofi the manufacture off Plaquenil
which is the brand name version off the above drug.
p.s. Wilbur Ross also has a holding.
In NYT :- Trumps family Trust have investments in Sanofi the manufacture off Plaquenil
which is the brand name version off the above drug.
p.s. Wilbur Ross also has a holding.
Apr 7th 2020, 9:35 pm
#2442
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Re: 2020 Election
Just tweeted by Trump, Fox promoting Hydroxychloroquine
Apr 7th 2020, 10:01 pm
#2443
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Re: 2020 Election
Trumps contrast face is increasing, his racoons eyes are getting bigger. Also looking pufier.
Apr 7th 2020, 10:13 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...primary-171216
Wisconsin is holding the most dangerous election ever. Here’s why.
and this:
https://www.politico.com/news/2020/0...primary-171347
Liberals recoil at SCOTUS’ Wisconsin primary decision
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Apr 8th 2020, 4:29 am
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Re: 2020 Election
Again, you have made several assumptions in your post, which are dubious at best. Your first statement was demonstrably false - Obama did not grow his base and still won in 2012.
One assumption that you have made, is that Biden is a lock to carry all the states Hillary Clinton won in 2016.
As noted - that is a dangerous assumption to make when Biden and the Democratic Party have done nothing to alleviate the negative trend in the Upper Midwest. Trump was only 45,000 votes in Minnesota away from sweeping the Upper Midwest bar Illinois - a region Obama swept in 2008, and in 2012, only lost Indiana.
Clinton only won Minnesota by 1.5%. She only won New Hampshire by 1.5%. She only won Nevada by 1.5%. Maine by 3% - but she actually lost ME-02 by a whopping 10%, and so only got 3 of Maine's 4 electoral votes. Colorado and Virginia were 5% - so maybe a little bit of breathing room, but not much. Colorado and Virginia are not in the bag and Biden will have to campaign there. New Mexico was 8%, but the Libertarian candidate got 9.5% there - he was a popular former governor of New Mexico - and unlikely libertarian votes will siphon off to the Democrats this time around. There will be substantial tightening there and Biden will need to campaign in New Mexico too.
Any one of those states flips, and your plan to sit back and watch PA-MI-WI just naturally fall back and create an easy win, goes poof. That's if the plan to win those three states back works, because Trump won all of them before and it is hard to discern why those trends in support I've already outlined might have been reversed.
Your statement that Florida is not a swing state and is just a trick to tie down Trump's resources is bizarre. There was a 1% margin there, Florida is a very expensive state to campaign in and Biden isn't going to pour resources into there as part of a shell game. Both sides will compete vigorously for it as well they should. Putting all of the eggs in the MI-PA-WI basket is simply stupid and if Biden does that he will lose. Why would you bet on 3 states where the trend is going against you, and ignore 1 very big state with a 1% margin, where the trend is going for you?
Joe Biden has been a Senator or Vice President for 48 years. There is plenty of things that can and will be dug up on him including from back in the 1970s. Attacks on Biden will not be limited to just 2017-2020. Build up half a century as a Beltway Insider and there is plenty of muck that can be used against you.
This is not going to be the cakewalk that you think it is going to be.
One assumption that you have made, is that Biden is a lock to carry all the states Hillary Clinton won in 2016.
As noted - that is a dangerous assumption to make when Biden and the Democratic Party have done nothing to alleviate the negative trend in the Upper Midwest. Trump was only 45,000 votes in Minnesota away from sweeping the Upper Midwest bar Illinois - a region Obama swept in 2008, and in 2012, only lost Indiana.
Clinton only won Minnesota by 1.5%. She only won New Hampshire by 1.5%. She only won Nevada by 1.5%. Maine by 3% - but she actually lost ME-02 by a whopping 10%, and so only got 3 of Maine's 4 electoral votes. Colorado and Virginia were 5% - so maybe a little bit of breathing room, but not much. Colorado and Virginia are not in the bag and Biden will have to campaign there. New Mexico was 8%, but the Libertarian candidate got 9.5% there - he was a popular former governor of New Mexico - and unlikely libertarian votes will siphon off to the Democrats this time around. There will be substantial tightening there and Biden will need to campaign in New Mexico too.
Any one of those states flips, and your plan to sit back and watch PA-MI-WI just naturally fall back and create an easy win, goes poof. That's if the plan to win those three states back works, because Trump won all of them before and it is hard to discern why those trends in support I've already outlined might have been reversed.
Your statement that Florida is not a swing state and is just a trick to tie down Trump's resources is bizarre. There was a 1% margin there, Florida is a very expensive state to campaign in and Biden isn't going to pour resources into there as part of a shell game. Both sides will compete vigorously for it as well they should. Putting all of the eggs in the MI-PA-WI basket is simply stupid and if Biden does that he will lose. Why would you bet on 3 states where the trend is going against you, and ignore 1 very big state with a 1% margin, where the trend is going for you?
Joe Biden has been a Senator or Vice President for 48 years. There is plenty of things that can and will be dug up on him including from back in the 1970s. Attacks on Biden will not be limited to just 2017-2020. Build up half a century as a Beltway Insider and there is plenty of muck that can be used against you.
This is not going to be the cakewalk that you think it is going to be.
Those same voters are extremely excited about Joe Biden which explain to a large degree why the Vice President has been able to come from behind and pull away from Bernie Sanders and take a stranglehold on the Democrat nomination. And I think the honorable Senator from Vermont has said as much himself.
Those are the same voters in line today in Wisconsin despite being forced to vote in deadly circumstances, by certain powers that put those voters in danger during a dangerous pandemic. Those same powers that could care less about an American Navy warship filled with young people that had a brave Captain who begged for help to protect his crew that were sick with a deadly virus that was spreading on his ship. Trust me, there are a lot of rational people who are Republicans that have had enough. And November can't come soon enough.
