2020 Election
#2161
Re: 2020 Election
I was moderately enthusiastic about Hillary. I thought Bill was a great president (in terms of what was achieved) and figured we'd get two-for-the-price-of-one with Hillary. She was a career politician with a ton of baggage but she was a skillful operator and I felt she would basically 'get the job done'. I also felt that it would have been a great milestone to have a woman elected president, especially right after a black guy. I don't expect to like my president. I was certainly ultra-enthusiastic about her when compared to Trump!
#2162
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Joined: Jul 2007
Location: North Norfolk and northern New York State
Posts: 14,532
Re: 2020 Election
I was moderately enthusiastic about Hillary. I thought Bill was a great president (in terms of what was achieved) and figured we'd get two-for-the-price-of-one with Hillary. She was a career politician with a ton of baggage but she was a skillful operator and I felt she would basically 'get the job done'. I also felt that it would have been a great milestone to have a woman elected president, especially right after a black guy. I don't expect to like my president. I was certainly ultra-enthusiastic about her when compared to Trump!
#2163
Re: 2020 Election
The minority rules the Majority.
#2164
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Joined: Jul 2018
Location: California
Posts: 254
Re: 2020 Election
I saw this very good article about US health care in Time magazine titled 'The sickness of our system":
https://time.com/5785945/health-care-problems-america/
https://time.com/5785945/health-care-problems-america/
#2165
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Location: Chicago
Posts: 2,425
Re: 2020 Election
I saw this very good article about US health care in Time magazine titled 'The sickness of our system":
https://time.com/5785945/health-care-problems-america/
https://time.com/5785945/health-care-problems-america/
The article headline "Unequal access to Health Care..." seems to conflict with what the article is actually about. I agree with the ACTUAL main thrust of the article: the high cost of healthcare in the US is the main problem here. Too many politicians focus on coverage or access issues without discussing how they plan to cut costs. Expanding access without cutting costs with simply drive costs even higher and put health care out of reach of more people. For example: the first thing here should be to cut waste. People with coverage (the vast majority of Americans) are actively encouraged to consume hugely expensive health care services frivolously. I've done it myself. Let's put in place measures to stop waste first.
I actively disagree with the next section of this article. The author starts to mix in their political leanings and cherry picking facts. For example, this article declares that the health care system in the US is ineffective because outcomes are worse than other countries. This is highly debatable. Health outcomes are mostly driven by lifestyle choices, the big one here being obesity. The US has a huge (no pun intended) problem with obesity and obesity is a major factor in most poor health outcomes and a huge driver in health care expense (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity...nces/economic/). The ability of the health care system to control behaviors like obesity is highly debatable.
The article then goes on to an attack on the profitability of the pharma industry and the high salaries of doctors without any evidence of why this is bad. People making money on health care = bad in the author's view. OK, so...? Not good enough: why is profitability in the health care system in and of itself bad? How does "unequal access" contribute to this "excess" profitability? This makes no sense. In other cases, the article is factually dishonest. For example, the article states that there's a shortage of doctors in the US and that this shortage is driven by "physician led groups limiting the number of places in medical school". Bullshit:
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/art...er-record-high
Then the author veers back to talking about cost and I start to agree again:
"Insurance works only when sick and healthy people are pooled together, in America by employment, and in other rich countries by government fiat across the whole population. Without subsidies for those with low incomes, and without some guarantee that everyone is always in the system, insurance cannot work. Leaving health care to the market leaves many uninsured." This I agree with. Numerous studies have demonstrated that, despite the huge waste in the programs, government-provided health care benefits like Medicare/Medicaid are still the single most effective and efficient government-provided benefit that is offered in the US. However, the article weirdly neglects to mention the existence of these massive programs. It also neglects to discuss the ridiculously wasteful, ineffective, abused, fraud-ridden and ever growing SSA disability insurance programs which have been a wasteful driver in increasing health care costs.
Overall, I'm confused by this article. My main complaint is that the authors attack the system while providing NO suggestions on what actually should be done to fix the problems. This pushes the article into the realm of polemic.
#2166
Re: 2020 Election
My reactions to this article:
The article headline "Unequal access to Health Care..." seems to conflict with what the article is actually about. I agree with the ACTUAL main thrust of the article: the high cost of healthcare in the US is the main problem here. Too many politicians focus on coverage or access issues without discussing how they plan to cut costs. Expanding access without cutting costs with simply drive costs even higher and put health care out of reach of more people. For example: the first thing here should be to cut waste. People with coverage (the vast majority of Americans) are actively encouraged to consume hugely expensive health care services frivolously. I've done it myself. Let's put in place measures to stop waste first.
I actively disagree with the next section of this article. The author starts to mix in their political leanings and cherry picking facts. For example, this article declares that the health care system in the US is ineffective because outcomes are worse than other countries. This is highly debatable. Health outcomes are mostly driven by lifestyle choices, the big one here being obesity. The US has a huge (no pun intended) problem with obesity and obesity is a major factor in most poor health outcomes and a huge driver in health care expense (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity...nces/economic/). The ability of the health care system to control behaviors like obesity is highly debatable.
The article then goes on to an attack on the profitability of the pharma industry and the high salaries of doctors without any evidence of why this is bad. People making money on health care = bad in the author's view. OK, so...? Not good enough: why is profitability in the health care system in and of itself bad? How does "unequal access" contribute to this "excess" profitability? This makes no sense. In other cases, the article is factually dishonest. For example, the article states that there's a shortage of doctors in the US and that this shortage is driven by "physician led groups limiting the number of places in medical school". Bullshit:
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/art...er-record-high
Then the author veers back to talking about cost and I start to agree again:
"Insurance works only when sick and healthy people are pooled together, in America by employment, and in other rich countries by government fiat across the whole population. Without subsidies for those with low incomes, and without some guarantee that everyone is always in the system, insurance cannot work. Leaving health care to the market leaves many uninsured." This I agree with. Numerous studies have demonstrated that, despite the huge waste in the programs, government-provided health care benefits like Medicare/Medicaid are still the single most effective and efficient government-provided benefit that is offered in the US. However, the article weirdly neglects to mention the existence of these massive programs. It also neglects to discuss the ridiculously wasteful, ineffective, abused, fraud-ridden and ever growing SSA disability insurance programs which have been a wasteful driver in increasing health care costs.
Overall, I'm confused by this article. My main complaint is that the authors attack the system while providing NO suggestions on what actually should be done to fix the problems. This pushes the article into the realm of polemic.
The article headline "Unequal access to Health Care..." seems to conflict with what the article is actually about. I agree with the ACTUAL main thrust of the article: the high cost of healthcare in the US is the main problem here. Too many politicians focus on coverage or access issues without discussing how they plan to cut costs. Expanding access without cutting costs with simply drive costs even higher and put health care out of reach of more people. For example: the first thing here should be to cut waste. People with coverage (the vast majority of Americans) are actively encouraged to consume hugely expensive health care services frivolously. I've done it myself. Let's put in place measures to stop waste first.
I actively disagree with the next section of this article. The author starts to mix in their political leanings and cherry picking facts. For example, this article declares that the health care system in the US is ineffective because outcomes are worse than other countries. This is highly debatable. Health outcomes are mostly driven by lifestyle choices, the big one here being obesity. The US has a huge (no pun intended) problem with obesity and obesity is a major factor in most poor health outcomes and a huge driver in health care expense (https://www.hsph.harvard.edu/obesity...nces/economic/). The ability of the health care system to control behaviors like obesity is highly debatable.
The article then goes on to an attack on the profitability of the pharma industry and the high salaries of doctors without any evidence of why this is bad. People making money on health care = bad in the author's view. OK, so...? Not good enough: why is profitability in the health care system in and of itself bad? How does "unequal access" contribute to this "excess" profitability? This makes no sense. In other cases, the article is factually dishonest. For example, the article states that there's a shortage of doctors in the US and that this shortage is driven by "physician led groups limiting the number of places in medical school". Bullshit:
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/art...er-record-high
Then the author veers back to talking about cost and I start to agree again:
"Insurance works only when sick and healthy people are pooled together, in America by employment, and in other rich countries by government fiat across the whole population. Without subsidies for those with low incomes, and without some guarantee that everyone is always in the system, insurance cannot work. Leaving health care to the market leaves many uninsured." This I agree with. Numerous studies have demonstrated that, despite the huge waste in the programs, government-provided health care benefits like Medicare/Medicaid are still the single most effective and efficient government-provided benefit that is offered in the US. However, the article weirdly neglects to mention the existence of these massive programs. It also neglects to discuss the ridiculously wasteful, ineffective, abused, fraud-ridden and ever growing SSA disability insurance programs which have been a wasteful driver in increasing health care costs.
Overall, I'm confused by this article. My main complaint is that the authors attack the system while providing NO suggestions on what actually should be done to fix the problems. This pushes the article into the realm of polemic.
Can you expand a bit on "... neglects to discuss the ridiculously wasteful, ineffective, abused, fraud-ridden and ever growing SSA disability insurance programs which have been a wasteful driver in increasing health care costs" ? This is not something I've heard anything about.
#2167
Re: 2020 Election
So, Farewell then
Mayo Pete.
Nobody could pronounce
Your name,
But now we won't have to try
Any more. At least,
Not until the next time.
with apologies to E J Thribb, aged 17 1/2
Mayo Pete.
Nobody could pronounce
Your name,
But now we won't have to try
Any more. At least,
Not until the next time.
with apologies to E J Thribb, aged 17 1/2
#2168
Re: 2020 Election
Buttigieg has stood down. I wonder what he was offered. Methinks forces are at work to make sure Biden gets to run for Prez.
#2170
Account Closed
Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
Re: 2020 Election
I thought he had the money to last longer? He may be keeping his money safe to fund something else?
I was wondering maybe a VP, but that seems unlikely. Senate?
I was wondering maybe a VP, but that seems unlikely. Senate?
#2171
Re: 2020 Election
For example, the article states that there's a shortage of doctors in the US and that this shortage is driven by "physician led groups limiting the number of places in medical school". Bullshit:
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/art...er-record-high
https://www.modernhealthcare.com/art...er-record-high
It also says
Another challenge is that new medical schools are opening and existing ones are expanding, but the number of graduate medical education programs and residency positions has remained flat,
#2172
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
Re: 2020 Election
There is some suggestion that Pete has made his name, and wants to keep his powder dry for a future run, after all he is half the age of most of the candidates and can think 4, 8 years ahead. He gets out now with his image intact, has some cards to play and can dissociate himself from what is likely to become a more interesting process.
Now who will he support? His comments so far seem to exclude everybody, makes sense to keep quiet? See what happens.
Now who will he support? His comments so far seem to exclude everybody, makes sense to keep quiet? See what happens.
#2173
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
Re: 2020 Election
Klobuchar gone, not surprising, seems she is jumping on the Biden train?
#2175
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Joined: Mar 2004
Posts: 2
Re: 2020 Election
The DNC have certainly been busy, things have changed a lot in the last day, focus is on Biden, he seems the chosen one. In reality they just need to squeeze out Bloomberg and Bernie and job done.