2020 Election

Old Jan 20th 2020, 9:01 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler
Certainly seen it said on here that they do not want anybody who voted Trump last time to change their affiliation.
Nobody said that, ffs.
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Old Jan 20th 2020, 9:38 pm
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Originally Posted by dc koop
False claims? how about Warren and her native American claim?. Or claiming that she was fired from a job because she was pregnant.? The woman cant even get her sums right. Claims that an increase of tax on the wealthy would pay for the Med for all and all her other programs and lies by denying that there would be increases in taxes on the middle class.
Talking of false claims and healthcare, here's a big one for you to wrap your head around. From Kaiser Health news:

"Trump’s Claim He ‘Saved’ Preexisting Conditions ‘Part Fantasy, Part Delusion’

I go with "Wholly a lying sack of shit".

https://khn.org/news/trumps-claim-th...part-delusion/
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 5:40 am
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Originally Posted by johnwoo
That's your justification of Trump's continual lying and criminal behavior?
Trump's a crook and a fraud. One has to wonder what type of person is it that thinks he is the President this country needs or should want.
Show me factual evidence from criminal court records TV media and press clippings where Trump has been arrested and charged for fraud and or other criminal behavior at any time in the past

Face it. He's guilty before he's even charged. When he refused to produce his tax returns right off his detractors yelled and screamed that he had something to hide. The hatred has blinded his political opponents beyond all reason.

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Originally Posted by Giantaxe
Talking of false claims and healthcare, here's a big one for you to wrap your head around. From Kaiser Health news:

"Trump’s Claim He ‘Saved’ Preexisting Conditions ‘Part Fantasy, Part Delusion’

I go with "Wholly a lying sack of shit".

https://khn.org/news/trumps-claim-th...part-delusion/

I place little credibility in anything that Kaiser has to say. I could tell you a few stories about Kaiser. From personal experience I know for a fact that they do not mail out sign up literature to past members who they know have pre-existing conditions. Have you forgotten when they were busted some years back for giving bonuses to doctors who maintained low numbers of specialist referrals?
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 6:19 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Show me factual evidence from criminal court records TV media and press clippings where Trump has been arrested and charged for fraud and or other criminal behavior at any time in the past

Face it. He's guilty before he's even charged. When he refused to produce his tax returns right off his detractors yelled and screamed that he had something to hide. The hatred has blinded his political opponents beyond all reason.


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Old Jan 21st 2020, 7:24 am
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Originally Posted by johnwoo
That's your justification of Trump's continual lying and criminal behavior?
Trump's a crook and a fraud. One has to wonder what type of person is it that thinks he is the President this country needs or should want.
Outside of East or West Coast evidently millions not only support him, many passionately do. Key to the election won't be people in California or New York. Democrats to win must deal with this,

I am not sure whether he has ever been convicted of a crime though it seems his supporters could care less. .
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Show me factual evidence from criminal court records TV media and press clippings where Trump has been arrested and charged for fraud and or other criminal behavior at any time in the past

Face it. He's guilty before he's even charged. When he refused to produce his tax returns right off his detractors yelled and screamed that he had something to hide. The hatred has blinded his political opponents beyond all reason.
DC, even some who voted for him wouldn't seriously put fraud past him. The tax return request for me rather hilarious as what detractors thought they would find in a tax return ( such as his net worth for example) they wouldn't find, and supposed links probably not, plus like most mega-rich his tax return wouldn't necessarily show true extent of his income or losses. Showed the ignorance of many media commentators.

It is one thing to go bankrupt once, another several times and a pattern of failed businesses except in real estate, where he has shown a remarkable ability in marketing and continually get financing. It is a bit surprizing that he hasn't used his main talent in business, financing debt to address the structure of financing the government.
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 1:49 pm
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Show me factual evidence from criminal court records TV media and press clippings where Trump has been arrested and charged for fraud and or other criminal behavior at any time in the past

Face it. He's guilty before he's even charged. When he refused to produce his tax returns right off his detractors yelled and screamed that he had something to hide. The hatred has blinded his political opponents beyond all reason.
One example.

https://www.google.com/amp/s/amp.the...nts-money-back
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 1:54 pm
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Hillary Clinton says she might not vote for the Democratic presidential nominee. I await the outcry from the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" crowd.
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Originally Posted by zargof
Hillary Clinton says she might not vote for the Democratic presidential nominee. I await the outcry from the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" crowd.

2020 ELECTION

Hillary Clinton blasts Sanders, won't commit to backing him as party nominee

"Nobody likes him, nobody wants to work with him ... It's all just baloney," the 2016 Democratic presidential nominee says.
https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...party-n1119011
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 3:26 pm
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Originally Posted by dc koop
Show me factual evidence from criminal court records TV media and press clippings where Trump has been arrested and charged for fraud and or other criminal behavior at any time in the past
I don't know how you could write that with a straight face. My favourite is when his charity stole money from children and veterans.

For anyone who was as curious as I was about just how many times he has been done for fraud, there's a nice long list here:
https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Legal_...f_Donald_Trump
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 3:34 pm
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Originally Posted by zargof
Hillary Clinton says she might not vote for the Democratic presidential nominee. I await the outcry from the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" crowd.
She won't commit to endorsing him... that's a little different. Personally I couldn't care less who she does and doesn't endorse, but she really needs to stfu. Otoh her comments seem to echo those made by Obama's campaign strategist David Axelrod after the last debate when the Warren spat was being discussed.He said something like there being a perception in the Democratic Party that Sanders isn't a "team player".

I hope Sanders isn't the nominee, but if he is of course I will vote for him.
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 3:37 pm
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Originally Posted by morpeth
DC, even some who voted for him wouldn't seriously put fraud past him. The tax return request for me rather hilarious as what detractors thought they would find in a tax return ( such as his net worth for example) they wouldn't find, and supposed links probably not, plus like most mega-rich his tax return wouldn't necessarily show true extent of his income or losses. Showed the ignorance of many media commentators.
It would certainly show who he is borrowing money from, which is the most interesting part of his returns, imo.
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Old Jan 21st 2020, 3:44 pm
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Originally Posted by dc koop
I place little credibility in anything that Kaiser has to say. I could tell you a few stories about Kaiser. From personal experience I know for a fact that they do not mail out sign up literature to past members who they know have pre-existing conditions. Have you forgotten when they were busted some years back for giving bonuses to doctors who maintained low numbers of specialist referrals?
Kaiser Health News is published by the Kaiser Family Foundation, Since 1985 they've had no connection with the Kaiser Permanente healthcare company. They are a wonderful source of analytical information on US healthcare and have a reputation for being science-based and politically neutral.

https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Kaiser_Family_Foundation

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Old Jan 21st 2020, 4:34 pm
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Originally Posted by zargof
Hillary Clinton says she might not vote for the Democratic presidential nominee. I await the outcry from the "Vote Blue No Matter Who" crowd.
I don't read that. I read: "And Clinton would not commit to endorsing Sanders if he becomes the Democratic nominee.

"I'm not going to go there yet," she said about potentially supporting Sanders. "We're still in a very vigorous primary season.""

Specific link to article: https://www.nbcnews.com/politics/202...party-n1119011

I certainly hope he doesn't get the nomination but if he gets it I'll vote for him.

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