2020 Election
Dec 13th 2019, 4:34 am
#1591
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Dec 13th 2019, 4:36 am
#1592
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Re: 2020 Election
My experience is somewhat different from yours. I believe that if you show some initiative it's noticed and leads to other things. Like a few others of my co-workers I could have just laid back in the warehouse job which had good benefits but not that great a pay scale along with it. The power division manager at the city yards knew I had been studying electrical power transmission technology at evening class and called me into the office and offered me a job as a LIne Crew helper. The Yanks appreciate people who put in that extra and appear to want to move ahead. That's one thing I've noticed since moving here. It was a start to much better things and much better pay anyway and eventual retirement into a comfortable existence. Not to short change the missus either. She did a lot of hard study to eventually becoming a pharmacist
He didn't ask to have these problems. He doesn't want to have these problems. He's trying his hardest to overcome these problems in an employment market and a health system that can't help him, so he's trying to do it on his own. And despite the continual knock-backs, he's still trying. Now that's what I call initiative and drive.
He pays his rent on time. He pays all his bills on time. Some months he has less than $80 to buy food and incidentals with. Less than $20 a week.
You did your very best and tried your very hardest with the body and brain you were born with to make a good life for yourself, and all credit to you for doing that. JS also does his very best and tries his very hardest with the body and brain he was born with, and he deserves the same credit for doing that as you do. The difference in your respective financial positions isn't down to lack of initiative or lack of trying. Please try, really try, to understand that. I say this really sincerely and without a trace of nastiness - understanding that will make you a better person, and if everyone understood this the world we live in would be a much better place for us all.
Dec 13th 2019, 4:40 am
#1594
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Re: 2020 Election
It's not. What I said was, during all this talk of Medicare For All, it simply didn't occur to me that all the 'free' stuff would now be made available to people over 65. It's perfectly logical that the same payment structure would apply ... I just didn't consider it. Is that clear now?
Since when have you been able to bring elderly parents over? As part of what program? I looked into bringing my mum over after I became a citizen and there was virtually zero chance.
Since when have you been able to bring elderly parents over? As part of what program? I looked into bringing my mum over after I became a citizen and there was virtually zero chance.
Dec 13th 2019, 4:41 am
#1595
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Re: 2020 Election
The problem you have is your thinking is so very limited. You assume that Americans like the way things are and there is no way of changing the status quo. But the problem is it's just not true. If that was the case then Clinton would have won as she was the ultimate status quo candidate. You had better pray it isn't Biden who wins as Trump will destroy him. I mean the poor guy is already losing his marbles.
You say this country is centre right, but it really isn't. Look at what policies are popular. Find me one of Bernie Sanders' policies that isn't popular. And don't say M4A as the latest poll says it still has 57% support when you say it eliminates private health insurance, and this is after all the attack ads.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/EWTN_Topline.pdf
You keep talking about there is no way that Sanders could win, but you're just denying reality. All the polls say otherwise.
You say this country is centre right, but it really isn't. Look at what policies are popular. Find me one of Bernie Sanders' policies that isn't popular. And don't say M4A as the latest poll says it still has 57% support when you say it eliminates private health insurance, and this is after all the attack ads.
https://www.realclearpolitics.com/docs/EWTN_Topline.pdf
You keep talking about there is no way that Sanders could win, but you're just denying reality. All the polls say otherwise.
Look at what happened in the UK yesterday. Boris Johnson has now attained a firm grip on power because Socialist like Corbyn are misreading what the British truly want. Actual life long Labor party members voted for the Tories because the Conservatives are seen to offer the better governing plans. Socialist pretty much gave that election to Boris Johnson because they care more about their agenda than listening to what the people are actually wanting. Numerous Labor Party voters have been saying the European Union has harmed the lives of Brits by forcing born Brits to compete for jobs with foreigners. And Socialist like Corbyn ignored the will of the people and the people taught the Labor party a lesson. The Tories achieved their biggest win since 1987. Think about that. Look at what happens when you ignore the will of the voting public. Brit after Brit after Brit in the Labor party were shown on the news saying they wanted to vote Labor but the party was not listening to them about getting out of the Union and protecting British jobs. My wife and I were watching young people say they wanted to leave the Union and yet Socialist were swept away with Dogma thinking and tonight was a referendum on Socialism.
If Democrat voters like yourself don't get a grip and realize that Americans don't want Socialist change you will be dooming the Democrat Party to the same result in November. If Socialism can't win in the UK you obviously have no chance in gun rights cheering, flag waving America to turn our healthcare system into a European carbon copy. Socialism needs to be exchanged for moderate thinking.
Dec 13th 2019, 4:45 am
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Re: 2020 Election
The world would be a better place if everyone kept that in mind, just because you did it or because someone else did, doesn't mean every can.
No amount of hard work will get me a 3.5+ GPA which many training programs to get a good job require these days due to the competitive nature of entry for such training, and just because there are people who can doesn't mean we all can. I can put 100% effort 24/7 and I still wouild not come close to that high a GPA, trust me I have tried, I am a 2.8-3.0 student, always have been, I worked my butt off to get said GPA, if I didn't it would be much lower.
But schools only want the best of the best in their programs to make stats look better so lots of us get left behind and can't gain the skills necessary to get into better paying fields.
Koop was a lineman, I would need a B+ in physics and math along with the mechanical aptitude to get into the apprentice program, trades are not easy to train in as people seem to think they are.
No amount of hard work will get me a 3.5+ GPA which many training programs to get a good job require these days due to the competitive nature of entry for such training, and just because there are people who can doesn't mean we all can. I can put 100% effort 24/7 and I still wouild not come close to that high a GPA, trust me I have tried, I am a 2.8-3.0 student, always have been, I worked my butt off to get said GPA, if I didn't it would be much lower.
But schools only want the best of the best in their programs to make stats look better so lots of us get left behind and can't gain the skills necessary to get into better paying fields.
Koop was a lineman, I would need a B+ in physics and math along with the mechanical aptitude to get into the apprentice program, trades are not easy to train in as people seem to think they are.
Dec 13th 2019, 5:48 am
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Re: 2020 Election
Exactly, I left school with no qualifications whatsoever. I got an engineering apprenticeship with a company making trucks and buses.
Free daytime off work for further education and ultimately ended up in the Engineering design office. A background that stood me into good stead for the rest of my working life.
Something that would be most unlikely or impossible today. So in spite of others of my generation," I bought myself up by my bootstraps claims". Some of my generations denials, we had it easy or at least very much easier career wise. The wrapping of today's throwaway society, maybe not.
Free daytime off work for further education and ultimately ended up in the Engineering design office. A background that stood me into good stead for the rest of my working life.
Something that would be most unlikely or impossible today. So in spite of others of my generation," I bought myself up by my bootstraps claims". Some of my generations denials, we had it easy or at least very much easier career wise. The wrapping of today's throwaway society, maybe not.
Dec 13th 2019, 6:51 am
#1598
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Re: 2020 Election
Remember - a lot of expats are here because they married a US Citizen; they didn't come here for opportunity or 'freedom' or whatever.
Dec 13th 2019, 7:02 am
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Re: 2020 Election
Once settled I didn't want start all over back in the UK. Mixed feelings about US vs UK. In some ways regrets not being with family in the UK. Politically the UK is as messed up as the US. Brexit makes me less than enthusiastic. At my age I'm in the US now for better or worse.
Dec 13th 2019, 7:23 am
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Re: 2020 Election
Or, like me, they came over for the experience of living in a different country. In my case I ended up having kids here and marrying an American. I never intended staying here long term but that’s the way it worked out. And it certainly was nothing to do with greener grass.
Dec 13th 2019, 8:29 am
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Re: 2020 Election
My reason was that I met a foreigner in Israel, we hooked up and eventually married. She’s American. Grass greener? No way! In the northeast of the US the grass is pretty threadbare, and brown for half the year.
Dec 13th 2019, 9:11 am
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Re: 2020 Election
What about the people whose mental or physical health problems mean they're unable to get a job, let alone allow them to show all this wonderful initiative and work ethic. Did you even read JS's post? He's applied for hundreds of jobs. Those he's managed to get he did his very best at, but his mental health issues led to his dismissal.
He didn't ask to have these problems. He doesn't want to have these problems. He's trying his hardest to overcome these problems in an employment market and a health system that can't help him, so he's trying to do it on his own. And despite the continual knock-backs, he's still trying. Now that's what I call initiative and drive.
He pays his rent on time. He pays all his bills on time. Some months he has less than $80 to buy food and incidentals with. Less than $20 a week.
You did your very best and tried your very hardest with the body and brain you were born with to make a good life for yourself, and all credit to you for doing that. JS also does his very best and tries his very hardest with the body and brain he was born with, and he deserves the same credit for doing that as you do. The difference in your respective financial positions isn't down to lack of initiative or lack of trying. Please try, really try, to understand that. I say this really sincerely and without a trace of nastiness - understanding that will make you a better person, and if everyone understood this the world we live in would be a much better place for us all.
He didn't ask to have these problems. He doesn't want to have these problems. He's trying his hardest to overcome these problems in an employment market and a health system that can't help him, so he's trying to do it on his own. And despite the continual knock-backs, he's still trying. Now that's what I call initiative and drive.
He pays his rent on time. He pays all his bills on time. Some months he has less than $80 to buy food and incidentals with. Less than $20 a week.
You did your very best and tried your very hardest with the body and brain you were born with to make a good life for yourself, and all credit to you for doing that. JS also does his very best and tries his very hardest with the body and brain he was born with, and he deserves the same credit for doing that as you do. The difference in your respective financial positions isn't down to lack of initiative or lack of trying. Please try, really try, to understand that. I say this really sincerely and without a trace of nastiness - understanding that will make you a better person, and if everyone understood this the world we live in would be a much better place for us all.
Dec 13th 2019, 9:49 am
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Re: 2020 Election
Fish Antibiotics ?
This is a very strong statement about the USA's Health System & costing's
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...er-than-doctor
This is a very strong statement about the USA's Health System & costing's
https://www.theguardian.com/us-news/...er-than-doctor
Dec 13th 2019, 11:09 am
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Re: 2020 Election
More "redactions" & this is more complicated .
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...ce=CSAMedition
https://www.thedailybeast.com/trump-...ce=CSAMedition
Dec 13th 2019, 1:47 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
Would you give up your livelihood and your ability to feed your children for Bernie Sanders' poorly thought out ideas? Most Americans will not. Yesterday's election in the UK proves Socialism is dying in GB but it doesn't even have a chance in America because Independent voters made the choice with their feet not to join Liberal political groups. Deciding to not join those affiliations speaks volumes. But you have to see past your Dogmatic believes to read their political thinking. I certainly can see how being raised a Socialist in a different country then moving to America, and wanting to see improvements there could make you think about a familiar solution. But Americans haven't any experience with wanting government to solve most of their financial needs and problems. It's just not reasonable to expect them to change from being members of a culture that promotes self reliance. And voters not reading the culture correctly could help re-elect Trump. But I think yesterday's election in the UK is a warning to all Democrats if you give your backing to a Socialist you will doom your party to losing the national election. And Bernie Sanders is America's Corbyn and that spells disaster because America is far more conservative than the UK.