Giantaxe

I can pretty much guarantee that that will be challenged legally.

scrubbedexpat099

Probably have run out by then anyway so not a real issue.

Giantaxe

Good point.. 2026 is the currently projected date.

Steerpike

I can't help feeling that whatever resistance the ACA got, this new plan will get x10. The scope and scale of this change is quite monumental and will affect virtually everyone - even all the current seniors happily enjoying Medicare. The ACA only affected a small slice of the population, and was a massive struggle to implement ... and it's currently hanging by a thread with the Supreme Court. I envisage a massive amount of negative advertising over the next 12 months targeting seniors and others. IF ... and it's a big if ... the Dems get the Senate as well as the House, then they have a chance. But what if there's a mid-term 'correction' down the road? A plan of this scale will have to be phased in over many years, spanning political terms. Any change of leadership (house, senate, presidency) will likely trip it up.

johnwoo

I wonder how many people actually self fund their private healthcare. One would have to be very affluent to afford healthcare out of pocket.
Healthcare provided by employers has to be paid for by some means, i.e. passed on to the consumer. Even those that are getting no benefit from it.
If you're a government employee, it's the tax payer, if you work for a utility company it's payed through the utilities bill, and so on and so on. So those with no health care at all are subsidizing those that enjoy so called private healthcare plans, publicly funded by means other than taxation.
Just a thought

UkWinds5353

Try 1000 times more opposed!

Americans will not accept being told what to do by politicians unless the plan offered is welcomed change. Zargof who means well, don't really understand America society at all. Electing Bernie Sanders would never result in a European style health care system in America. The American judicial system would definitely rule Medicare for all unconstitutional. And it's a fact that Democrats are good leaders but their voters lose focus and don't show up at mid-term elections which gives my party the chance to stop the Democrat agenda. The country need to do all it can to improve Obama care.

scrubbedexpat099

What is a European styled system, I know some information about a few, they are all significantly different. I think the UK is the only one that does not involve some form of insurance, well Western Europe anyway.

johnwoo

Then logically all Medicare is unconstitutional.
If private healthcare is so good let's get rid of all medicare.

scrubbedexpat099

Difficult to see any Party that say got all 3 surviving with all 3 after 2 years, they are bound to screw things up as the Dems did last time.

johnwoo

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johnwoo

It would be interested to hear what some of our BE European members have to say about their respective healthcare programs.

scrubbedexpat099

Power tends to corrupt; absolute power corrupts absolutely.

UkWinds5353

Medicare is welfare without question but American society is accepting of giving additional help to those that are of retirement age. But people in my age group and younger, the American society expect us to make our way in the world. I don't agree with that 100% but despite how I might feel that is the reality and if I prefer a different system, then me the Mrs and kids must move to the UK or some other nation to find our idea society. I'm in my 50s and in my time I've never seen this country accept anything other than self reliance. I don't even waste my time trying to figure out why we think as we do.

This is a very good country but they have their own culture and I respect that. Doesn't mean I have to agree with it. All you have to do is look at gun control or lack there of. Despite thousands of innocent adults and kids that get killed in America the right to have automatic weapons is preferred even if that means innocent lives must be sacrificed. That makes zero sense but that is the thinking of a large percentage of this country. It would be a kin to trying to figure out cultural differences in other countries. It's a thing that is accepted in a certain country.

scrubbedexpat099

I had this conversation years ago with someone who was going on about Socialised Medicine, I was pretty sure they were on Medicaid and suggested that was socialised. Did not get an answer. US Gov spends more per person on socialsed healthcare than the UK does.

Then there was the very wealthy guy who would be described as a solid Repub but was happy to use the VA despite having left the Marines 30 years prior.

nain rouge

Ah, lovely, anecdotal evidence - "I knew a guy whose brother's neighbor's cousin was born with no toes, yet he became a champion runner......" A couple on the other side of town won $50,000 in the state lottery, so that's PROOF that you will win if you play the lottery...... I heard of a woman somewhere who invented a better mop, and now she is a zillionaire....... "

Funny, isn't it, that the apologists never seem to remember all of the people who broke their backs working for 45 or 46 years and then got a debilitating illness for which they had no money to pay. Or about the woman who is 74 and has to go to work everyday since her late minister husband left her with inadequate financial resources on which to live. Or about the family in which a Downs Syndrome baby is born, and which takes up all of the financial resources. Or about the 20-year-old on a bike in the curb lane who gets sideswiped by a careless hit-and-run driver paying more attention to their cell phone than to their driving, and who thereon for the next 60+ years has permanent disabilities, not to mention huge, ongoing medical bills.

If you want to (incorrectly) accuse people of being envious of the wealthy, then you have to face facts and realize that you are indifferent of real human suffering, and the fact that in many ways life is itself a lottery, dishing out prizes and favors to some, while dealing others huge hardships. .