2020 Election
Nov 29th 2020, 4:31 am
#5776
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Nov 29th 2020, 4:41 am
#5778
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no doubt.
Nov 29th 2020, 5:01 am
#5779
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Re: 2020 Election
No no no, not a hotdog. It's a sausage sizzle! You get a (grilled) sausage in bread with tomato sauce. Fancy people might hit the onions, but it's generally about simplicity. It's a cheap as piss way to get people into the spirit of something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage_sizzle
And mandatory showing up on voting day is not to be sneezed at. Throwing your vote away should be something you have to opt into, not the default.
And mandatory showing up on voting day is not to be sneezed at. Throwing your vote away should be something you have to opt into, not the default.
Nov 30th 2020, 5:39 am
#5780
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Re: 2020 Election
In New York, there’s yet an additional complexity - eight different political parties. So, for instance, if I’d wanted to vote for Elise Stefanik for US Congress, I could have voted for her under the Republican, Conservative, or Independence Party lines. These three have to be tabulated separately, as the location on the ballot in the next election is dependent on how well each party performed in this election. Same for the Democratic vs. Working Families parties.
So a heck of a lot more complex than a UK general election, in which the votes can be quickly sorted into 3 or 4 piles, then each pile counted.
So a heck of a lot more complex than a UK general election, in which the votes can be quickly sorted into 3 or 4 piles, then each pile counted.
Nov 30th 2020, 5:48 am
#5781
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Re: 2020 Election
No no no, not a hotdog. It's a sausage sizzle! You get a (grilled) sausage in bread with tomato sauce. Fancy people might hit the onions, but it's generally about simplicity. It's a cheap as piss way to get people into the spirit of something: https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Sausage_sizzle
And mandatory showing up on voting day is not to be sneezed at. Throwing your vote away should be something you have to opt into, not the default.
And mandatory showing up on voting day is not to be sneezed at. Throwing your vote away should be something you have to opt into, not the default.
Nov 30th 2020, 5:22 pm
#5782
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Re: 2020 Election
I don't follow that at all! Elise Stefanik is described as a 'Republican', so what is the relevance of (eg) 'Conservative' (or 'Independence Party') in this context? Is this something unique to NY? This is what the Senate and House sections of my ballot (AZ) looked like:
Typically the left-wing Working Families Party cross nominate the Democratic candidates and the right-wing Independence and Conservative Parties cross-nominate the Republican candidates. But these smaller parties can and sometimes do nominate their own people for some races, and don't necessarily map directly to the mainstream party that you'd expect. For instance, a very conservative Democrat might not get cross-nominated by Working Families, and might even get cross-nominated by the Conservatives. It's a useful way for those knowledgeable about the system to know where candidates are located on the political spectrum.
This year we both voted for Biden/Harris and most of the down-ballot Democrats on the Working Families Party line, to ensure the WFP stays on the ballot (Governor Cuomo has been trying to get them off the ballot as they refused to cross-nominate him a couple of gubernatorial elections ago. Last time, he even managed to spin up an astro-turfed "Women's Equality Party" to undermine the WFP.)
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Nov 30th 2020, 10:23 pm
#5783
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Re: 2020 Election
"Arizona and Wisconsin are the last contested battleground states to make their presidential election results official."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alflow-organic
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alflow-organic
Nov 30th 2020, 10:32 pm
#5784
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Re: 2020 Election
"Arizona and Wisconsin are the last contested battleground states to make their presidential election results official."
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alflow-organic
https://www.bloomberg.com/news/artic...alflow-organic
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djxXqjdlWvKZ
Nov 30th 2020, 10:59 pm
#5785
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Re: 2020 Election
Which makes this Arizona "hearing" (“unsanctioned unofficial circus sideshow") that is ongoing now, all the more entertaining.
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djxXqjdlWvKZ
https://www.pscp.tv/w/1djxXqjdlWvKZ
Nov 30th 2020, 11:03 pm
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Nov 30th 2020, 11:54 pm
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Re: 2020 Election
Dec 1st 2020, 2:00 am
#5789
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Re: 2020 Election
I don't follow that at all! Elise Stefanik is described as a 'Republican', so what is the relevance of (eg) 'Conservative' (or 'Independence Party') in this context? Is this something unique to NY? This is what the Senate and House sections of my ballot (AZ) looked like:
It's a thing called "electoral fusion". It was created in NYS to break the power of the old-school political machines like Tammany Hall. In a nutshell, any candidate for office in NYS can be cross-nominated by as many political parties that have qualified to appear on the ballot as care to. The actual election is decided by the total number of votes for each individual, but the total number of votes cast for each party decides whether or not they appear on the ballot next election, and where (i.e. how high up the ballot paper).
Typically the left-wing Working Families Party cross nominate the Democratic candidates and the right-wing Independence and Conservative Parties cross-nominate the Republican candidates. But these smaller parties can and sometimes do nominate their own people for some races, and don't necessarily map directly to the mainstream party that you'd expect. For instance, a very conservative Democrat might not get cross-nominated by Working Families, and might even get cross-nominated by the Conservatives. It's a useful way for those knowledgeable about the system to know where candidates are located on the political spectrum.
This year we both voted for Biden/Harris and most of the down-ballot Democrats on the Working Families Party line, to ensure the WFP stays on the ballot (Governor Cuomo has been trying to get them off the ballot as they refused to cross-nominate him a couple of gubernatorial elections ago. Last time, he even managed to spin up an astro-turfed "Women's Equality Party" to undermine the WFP.)
Typically the left-wing Working Families Party cross nominate the Democratic candidates and the right-wing Independence and Conservative Parties cross-nominate the Republican candidates. But these smaller parties can and sometimes do nominate their own people for some races, and don't necessarily map directly to the mainstream party that you'd expect. For instance, a very conservative Democrat might not get cross-nominated by Working Families, and might even get cross-nominated by the Conservatives. It's a useful way for those knowledgeable about the system to know where candidates are located on the political spectrum.
This year we both voted for Biden/Harris and most of the down-ballot Democrats on the Working Families Party line, to ensure the WFP stays on the ballot (Governor Cuomo has been trying to get them off the ballot as they refused to cross-nominate him a couple of gubernatorial elections ago. Last time, he even managed to spin up an astro-turfed "Women's Equality Party" to undermine the WFP.)
I don’t think it’s quite true that the WFP is always left of the Dems. Here, I’ve seen Republican candidates for local office endorsed by the WFP on occasion.
Dec 1st 2020, 2:13 am
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Re: 2020 Election