Steerpike

I grew up 'up north' in a poor working class family. I had a very strong 'northern' accent. I went to London to attend uni. The amount of ridicule I got for being from 'up north' was quite remarkable! I also encountered a strong sense of 'stay in your place' when I exhibited ambition at work. The class system in the UK is not a 'racist' system, but it's an equally messed up version of one.

When I came to California to work, in the 80s, I felt a strong sense of relief because the people in CA simply appreciated the fact I was good at my job and gave me every opportunity to progress. It has often been said that in the UK, it's not good enough to simply make money, you have to come from old money to be accepted. Conversely, in the US (at least, in CA), you are celebrated if you actually come from nothing and make money.

scrubbedexpat099

Are or were?

kimilseung

This 100%, Though i think in my experience there is also the residue of anti-Irish racism too. In some ways I feel more accepted in the US than I did in the UK.

BenK91

You're sure about that...?

Climate change will help solve racism? Okay...


Literally has no idea on anything foreign policy related...


Screaming at a fence is not a lucid individual...


Also not to mention she completely conned her constituents out of thousands of jobs...

NY Times Article on Amazon Pullout

MMcD

You've misappropriated what Kamala Harris said by first ripping the supposed quote from it's context and then chopping off the last 4 words in her sentence!

To quote her directly (at 3:59 in video) : "......He needs to go back to where HE came from and leave that office"

Meaning - Leave the White House!
Go back to Trump Tower!
Not leave America and go to some "$$$$hole" country, ffs

Oakvillian

Oh for whoever's sake, look at the links you've posted. Talk about the politics of the echo-chamber.
In the first one, the twatter posting it has misquoted Ocasio-Cortez's words. What she actually said, and with which it's difficult to disagree, is that it's inevitable that a move to sustainable energy will create jobs, and that the economic benefits will "help to achieve economic, social and racial justice" in the US.
The second one is risible. A chop-edited hatchet job by from the Daily Caller, posted as evidence of anything at all, is just silly. I've no idea of the context of the clip, nor of what happened in the bits cut out and spliced together to make that edit. What can be said, of course, is that under the agreed rulings of assorted international bodies, the occupation of the West Bank, and the subsequent colonization efforts that have taken place there, are indeed illegal, and for sure can be characterized as an "occupation of Palestine." Which bit of what she said is evidence of her having "no idea on anything foreign policy related"?
I don't think I understand the point of your third clip, either. Some people are standing at the fence, trying to get the attention of the people inside (perhaps the folks in the truck visible when the camera pans to the left?) - and while it's clearly not productive to set up a chant, even if the "free the children" sentiment is a bit more admirable than the kind of nonsense that Trump's rally audiences come up with, it's hardly the strongest argument by those on the right to hold this up as an example of poor behaviour.

So, 0 out of 3, not a good strike rate if you're trying to score points against a first-term Congresswoman.

And stop with the Amazon thing. That's been debunked so often and so thoroughly I'm not even going to bother rehearsing it again.

BenK91

And this is why it's hard for people on the right to discuss anything with left-leaning people. Absolutely anything that even slightly leans to the right, is debunked as a 'hatch job' or troll-material. Yet somehow CNN is a reputable source for news?

The fact AOC would even take part in the border shenanigans is laughable. Take care of your constituents, not people that clearly knew the punishment before they attempted the crime and are now whining that they're being held in probably better conditions than where they came from.

Oakvillian

Are you trying to claim that your second video-clip - the one where AOC's comments are intercut with random WTF-ery from unrelated video clips - is a reasonable source on which to base an opinion? If so, then I throw your "it's hard to discuss..." comment straight back at you. There's got to be some sort of minimum standard of proof if you're going to throw accusations of ignorance at a politician - and I would suggest that minimum standard at the very least includes video that has not been edited for supposedly comic effect by a "news" organization of the calibre of the Daily Caller. I don't believe I made a reference to CNN.

Why wouldn't a Federal politician take part in the "border shenanigans?" Isn't the border looked after by a Federal agency? Isn't an interest in Federal policy matters exactly, and precisely, what a US Representative is supposed to have? I honestly, genuinely don't understand the nature of your criticism of AOC in this respect. It comes across as unbearably condescending, just one step removed from "poor little woman, get back in the kitchen where you belong," and I'm sure that isn't your intention.

Lion in Winter

+1

BEVS

Yes.

scrubbedexpat099

I can see how people can have strongly held views, GND is not going to work but I can visualise why people would want it to.

Having views that are contradictory I find confusing.I think it was Bernie that said open borders was a Koch Brothers proposal.

robtuck

Open Borders is an inevitable outcome of chasing a truly free market economy - so technically it should be where the Republicans end-up. Democrats seem to have ended-up closer to that position on the Humanitarian side, chasing the "progressive" dream. It's all a bit peculiar.

Cortez is from the same school as Corbyn in the UK - laudable ideals but thinks you can achieve them while annoying everyone around you that you need to convince to come along on the journey with you, as well as having some notion on humanity which is far from the reality of where it ever will be. This is the true reason any real form of "socialism" never has a chance of working - some people will always be greedy, not everyone would do things for the better of all. That said, rampant Capitalism has just as many issues - you can;t rely on people doing good by others just because they do well themselves. Healthcare here being a good example of something that just has to have some wider, over arching ownership - everybody dies, if paying for it is a necessity, then managing the process of illness/health leading to that requires a Community effort, somehow. I do think that is starting to get closer to being a possibility.

scrubbedexpat099

I was looking at the next round:

Warren and Sanders will join Delaney, Hickenlooper, Ryan, Bullock, Williamson, Klobuchar, O'Rourke and Buttigieg on July 30.

Harris and Biden will join Gillibrand, Gabbard, Bennet, de Blasio, Inslee, Booker, Yang and Castro on July 31.

They seem to have put the minorities together, not sure how that will impact the dynamics. The obvious battle will be Biden/Harris, what will Biden do? First thought would be time for some payback but reasonable to assume Harris has something ready. Looking at it I would assume the fun and games would be in the second night but realise that there could be surprises. Only 4 or 5 currently have presence so the rest need to make an impact and time is running out.

MMcD

Correction: By (un?)luck-of-the-draw the minorities have all ended up together on night 2.
CNN did nothing intentional to create this outcome.

It was completely random; the actual draw was televised last night...watch below starting at 2:11....and again at 10:28....
https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=nbzI_u6tJu0

Edit....whoops - looks like video won't embed. sorry. You'll just have to take my word for it

scrubbedexpat099

I was not suggesting it was intentional. More a comment about the dynamics.

I know they have some pre sorting, but not for that category. My guess is that the pre sorting has made the outcome more like, if unintentionally.