2020 Election
#766
Re: 2020 Election
We seem to be covering this on 2 threads, comes from both directions, one of Kamala Harris's tropes.
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...h-ebof-vpx.cnn
Kamala Harris: Trump needs to go back where he came from
https://www.cnn.com/videos/politics/...h-ebof-vpx.cnn
#767
Re: 2020 Election
Neither . They are both lucid individuals who speak well.
Yes. Me. I have. Both here in NZ & in 1960's England.
Here in New Zealand it was because my husband took someone's job and we bought a house, thereby consigning someone to the unemployed scrap heap forever and inflating the price of the entire New Zealand housing stock. Load of old brollox of course but things have improved over the past 15 years.
1950's/60's England. Daughter of an Irish mother with an English father whose parents mixed with multi nationals , including Italians and Germans , simply because they worked in hotels. Silver service and chef. That consigned us as a family to the very depth of all that was considered low by those in no better or worse positions than we were really. Shunned . Looked on as possible thieves and tinkers who consorted with dubious foreigners & who had no right to be in the country at all anyway and should go back to where the peasants came from.
That's your Trump world right now. Right out there in the open. Gloves off. Say anything. Do anything. Stick it to all those deemed unworthy anyway you can. Pandora's box lid well and truly open.
I despair.
Originally Posted by johnwoo
Has anyone here been told to go back where they came from? I have a very few times.
Here in New Zealand it was because my husband took someone's job and we bought a house, thereby consigning someone to the unemployed scrap heap forever and inflating the price of the entire New Zealand housing stock. Load of old brollox of course but things have improved over the past 15 years.
1950's/60's England. Daughter of an Irish mother with an English father whose parents mixed with multi nationals , including Italians and Germans , simply because they worked in hotels. Silver service and chef. That consigned us as a family to the very depth of all that was considered low by those in no better or worse positions than we were really. Shunned . Looked on as possible thieves and tinkers who consorted with dubious foreigners & who had no right to be in the country at all anyway and should go back to where the peasants came from.
That's your Trump world right now. Right out there in the open. Gloves off. Say anything. Do anything. Stick it to all those deemed unworthy anyway you can. Pandora's box lid well and truly open.
I despair.
#770
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Joined: Jan 2006
Location: San Francisco
Posts: 12,851
Re: 2020 Election
Kamala Harris is no whack job. Her questioning on the Senate judiciary committee was perhaps the most cogent of anybody's, along with Amy Klobuchar. Easy to see why she's a hate figure on the right.
Last edited by Giantaxe; Jul 18th 2019 at 12:03 am.
#772
Re: 2020 Election
The right will hate, for the simple reason that she is a black female Democrat. Nothing else is needed to invite the hate.
#773
Re: 2020 Election
How dare she be so bold !
She should sit down & shut up !
But she won't & never will ,welcome to the 21st Century
#774
Re: 2020 Election
But he hasn't changed one single persons views. It's not like there are a bunch of people walking around saying 'well I was for immigration, but now that Trump says they are MS-13 I'm not'
The fact is that everyone on that side of the fence was on that side of the fence already, he's just saying it out loud and tacitly giving others permission to do the same. In some ways it's probably a good thing to get all the hate and vitriol of the right out into the open so that it can be swatted down again in time. It's not like it just went away, people just felt uncomfortable saying it loud but still thought it.
Wrong side of the House, and wrong party, but yes I agree otherwise
The fact is that everyone on that side of the fence was on that side of the fence already, he's just saying it out loud and tacitly giving others permission to do the same. In some ways it's probably a good thing to get all the hate and vitriol of the right out into the open so that it can be swatted down again in time. It's not like it just went away, people just felt uncomfortable saying it loud but still thought it.
Wrong side of the House, and wrong party, but yes I agree otherwise
He doesn't have to change people's views. He only has to legitimize and empower such views and those who have them.
And on cue, here is the baying mob obeying their great leader's whistle. Alas, poor country.
https://www.theatlantic.com/ideas/ar...r-back/594253/
Last edited by Lion in Winter; Jul 18th 2019 at 12:09 pm.
#775
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Joined: Feb 2017
Location: Newnan, GA
Posts: 802
Re: 2020 Election
I've had the comments about being the right sort of immigrant, I'm usually pushing buttons at this point to see if they truly have that view by telling them I stole someones job when I came over. There are more than a few down here as well that have clearly racist views. That said, it exists in the UK as well, but I think it's probably called out a bit more.
Last nights birth of a new crowd slogan pretty much sets the scene for the next 18 months or so I guess. I know this is slightly over exaggerating, but it's not a big leap from where they are to a good old fashioned lynching, in terms of what would need to happen to create the environment for it. I know the country has a spotted past in this respect, because of t's growth through immigration.
Last nights birth of a new crowd slogan pretty much sets the scene for the next 18 months or so I guess. I know this is slightly over exaggerating, but it's not a big leap from where they are to a good old fashioned lynching, in terms of what would need to happen to create the environment for it. I know the country has a spotted past in this respect, because of t's growth through immigration.
#776
Re: 2020 Election
I've had the comments about being the right sort of immigrant, I'm usually pushing buttons at this point to see if they truly have that view by telling them I stole someones job when I came over. There are more than a few down here as well that have clearly racist views. That said, it exists in the UK as well, but I think it's probably called out a bit more.
Last nights birth of a new crowd slogan pretty much sets the scene for the next 18 months or so I guess. I know this is slightly over exaggerating, but it's not a big leap from where they are to a good old fashioned lynching, in terms of what would need to happen to create the environment for it. I know the country has a spotted past in this respect, because of t's growth through immigration.
Last nights birth of a new crowd slogan pretty much sets the scene for the next 18 months or so I guess. I know this is slightly over exaggerating, but it's not a big leap from where they are to a good old fashioned lynching, in terms of what would need to happen to create the environment for it. I know the country has a spotted past in this respect, because of t's growth through immigration.
#777
Re: 2020 Election
She deserves a lot of the blame for Trump being elected. She was unlikable , and only got the nomination due to the power and influence the Clintons wielded in the Democrat party. Hillary's obsession with going down in the history books as the first female candidate caused serious damage to the party.
#778
Re: 2020 Election
I've found that people don't think of me as an immigrant, they think of me as "British". In part I expect it's because we have a (more or less) shared first language. I have heard people express surprise that British people who are black speak with a British accent (as opposed to sounding like their idea of a Black American) - sad but true.