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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by morpeth
(Post 12126416)
So personal observations and experience no merit ?
As I wrote have to agree articles I saw on internet didn't seem to objective. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by johnwoo
(Post 12126417)
Sometimes your personal observations and experiences seem to be 'made up as you go along', more of personal belief rather than fact.
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Re: 2016 Election
Trump biographer: Stop overestimating him — he’s a cross between a junkie and a hungry chicken
Seems a fairly honest appraisal. Out of interest how is he going to cope when he tries to put something through but it's blocked by Senate? Is he going to Twitter and bitch about them and say they are all corrupt? |
Re: 2016 Election
It seems that despite what the CIA have reason to believe the Trump people are more or less denying that Putin and his hackers were involved in attempting to influence the outcome of the election. This situation is becoming more and more Strangelovian every day.
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Re: 2016 Election
For some reason I completely missed this in mid-November. Trump stated he wouldn't take the presidential salary, but would take a nominal $1 per annum. This seems odd, and ominous, if he isn't on the payroll, it's a sign he isn't bound by the rules of the job.
How common is Trump's $1 salary? - BBC News Apparently, JFK donated his salary to charity, so that seems to be a modern parallel. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 12126442)
Trump biographer: Stop overestimating him — he’s a cross between a junkie and a hungry chicken
Seems a fairly honest appraisal. Out of interest how is he going to cope when he tries to put something through but it's blocked by Senate? Is he going to Twitter and bitch about them and say they are all corrupt? It will be quite interesting watching Trump try to deal with the Senate. My prediction is he will have as many problems as Obama had trying to get the Senate to cooperate. His negotiating skills will definitely be put to the test ! |
Re: 2016 Election
There's something off about these CIA leaks claiming Russian involvement in electing Trump. Both the WaPo and NYT stories are anonymous sources presented without evidence. Seems like someone is trying to influence public opinion before the actual investigation is complete.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by moneypenny20
(Post 12126442)
Trump biographer: Stop overestimating him — he’s a cross between a junkie and a hungry chicken
Seems a fairly honest appraisal. Out of interest how is he going to cope when he tries to put something through but it's blocked by Senate? Is he going to Twitter and bitch about them and say they are all corrupt? I am going to pray that Lindsey Graham and John McCain keep Putin from completing the process of installing himself into the Oval Office. First thing on the agenda for the new administration? Remove the sanctions that were imposed on Russia as 'punishment' for annexing Crimea. The particularly interesting sanction being ... wait for it .... drilling in the Arctic via Exxon Mobil!!! What a coinky-dink. Both the new SOS and the Russian president want to drill in the Arctic. We'll see what Congress does. I have little hope. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 12126704)
There's something off about these CIA leaks claiming Russian involvement in electing Trump. Both the WaPo and NYT stories are anonymous sources presented without evidence. Seems like someone is trying to influence public opinion before the actual investigation is complete.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 12126732)
From what I've heard, the initial investigation was complete months ago. The Democrats tried to do the right thing, like they always do, and were pressured to not release the information because Obama would have been accused of using his presidency to influence the election. In the meantime, Comey did and end run around the administration and used his position in FBI to influence the election. Which is nice.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 12126734)
So why is this leaking now? Is it a hail Mary to the electoral college?
But, honestly, anybody who didn't know this already just doesn't want to know. We watched in real time while they bragged about what they would be doing to Clinton. Never once done to Trump? Pointless in many ways, Obama was too weak on this and now it's too late. |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 12126734)
So why is this leaking now? Is it a hail Mary to the electoral college?
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 12126704)
There's something off about these CIA leaks claiming Russian involvement in electing Trump. Both the WaPo and NYT stories are anonymous sources presented without evidence. Seems like someone is trying to influence public opinion before the actual investigation is complete.
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Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by zargof
(Post 12126704)
There's something off about these CIA leaks claiming Russian involvement in electing Trump. Both the WaPo and NYT stories are anonymous sources presented without evidence. Seems like someone is trying to influence public opinion before the actual investigation is complete.
The anonymous sources in the WaPo and NYT articles are senators who were briefed on the report. Because this was a 'secret' briefing, details of how they arrived at their conclusions, and the methodology for gathering the information would have been disclosed. These details can't be discussed until such time as they are declassified. There have been calls for additional details of this report to be made public. If the news stories had stated 'Senator Smith said that the report "They discussed how hackers, using a Zebra-Zulu worm, were able to funnel DNC emails to a server in the Cayman Islands, controlled by a Russian parliamentary official, who then used a Farmville algorithm to transfer the emails piecemeal to a Wikileaks server on August 3rd" - Senator Smith would be facing federal prison time |
Re: 2016 Election
Originally Posted by Leslie
(Post 12126731)
Since it's the Republicans that control both houses and most have kissed Trump's ring, he won't have too many problems.
I am going to pray that Lindsey Graham and John McCain keep Putin from completing the process of installing himself into the Oval Office. First thing on the agenda for the new administration? Remove the sanctions that were imposed on Russia as 'punishment' for annexing Crimea. The particularly interesting sanction being ... wait for it .... drilling in the Arctic via Exxon Mobil!!! What a coinky-dink. Both the new SOS and the Russian president want to drill in the Arctic. We'll see what Congress does. I have little hope. I think it will be difficult for Republican politicians do to do an immediate 180 on Russian policy for a new administration where there is apparent conflicts of interest (Remember that DTJr said that the Trump Organization gets a lot of money from Russian interests a couple of years back - coupled with the fact that Trump will not release tax returns to show where he may interests). Combine that with the fact that Trump isn't really part of the Republican establishment, isn't extremely popular, and they may do even less to support him that would nominally be expected. Finally, should the Trump administration decide to recognize the annexation of Crimea, and lifting of American sanctions, the international political backlash could be massive. Many of the other Western nations also have economic sanctions against Russian individuals and corporations, and lifting of those sanctions by American politicians with obvious conflicts of interest to Russia, will be a betrayal. Trump is seemingly walking down the road to a trade confrontation with Mexico and China. Upsetting other trade partners in combination will only compound the problem. I think a number of Republican politicians understand this, however, the Trump administration will not. |
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