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Steerpike Sep 25th 2015 8:44 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
[QUOTE=sir_eccles;11757903] ...

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11757923)
:lol: at anyone who thinks Priuses (no idea on how to correctly pluralize that one) will in any way, shape or form change the world. (I know you were satirizing them, not shooting the messenger here.)

Unless they think that electricity is generated by magic fairies who excrete only pure water and oxygen as waste products.

Remember, Priuses are hybrids, not pure-electric (though they do now offer a plug-in version, but even that one still has a hybrid powertrain), and they work their magic (gas saving) by regenerative braking, which is the closest thing to 'magic' that you can get. The batteries may be toxic, and/or environmentally damaging to produce, but that's about the only criticism you can level against them. My g/f has one and it's simply a decent car to own/drive, with amazing use of space.

On a more general level, while I don't think any current 'efficient' car (be it hybrid or pure electric) may be the answer, I think Toyota deserve credit for actually proving that such technology can be mainstream/reliable. The electric cars of today are spurring research and development that will result in a better product in the future.

My friend in AZ (who is a die-hard republican) has installed solar panels at his second home (which is 'off the grid' in a remote location) and he says the current efficiencies of solar panels are quite good, and getting better. He thinks individual homes with solar panels will be the way of the future, and that would allow you to recharge your electric car with no environmental penalty (again, other than the panel production). My local Safeway in Scottsdale just installed solar panels in its parking lot, and apparently it will power the entire store during the day - all the lights, refrigerators, everything - and possibly power all the battery cars that want to charge there.

Steerpike Sep 25th 2015 8:49 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by zargof (Post 11757983)
I had similar thoughts, and I don't see the next Speaker as being any more moderate than Boehner. I can't see how going more extreme and to the right is going to benefit the Republicans.

That's the million dollar question - what would an (even more) extreme congress do to the Republican's chances in the election? Govt. shutdowns have apparently backfired in the past, but Cruz seems hell-bent on doing more of them. What's HIS logic ... ?

sir_eccles Sep 25th 2015 8:54 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
Speculation on likely Speaker front runners?

One Of These 4 People Will Probably Be The Next Speaker Of The House | ThinkProgress

Oy!

SultanOfSwing Sep 25th 2015 8:55 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11757995)
Remember, Priuses are hybrids, not pure-electric (though they do now offer a plug-in version, but even that one still has a hybrid powertrain), and they work their magic (gas saving) by regenerative braking, which is the closest thing to 'magic' that you can get. The batteries may be toxic, and/or environmentally damaging to produce, but that's about the only criticism you can level against them. My g/f has one and it's simply a decent car to own/drive, with amazing use of space.

Yes, but they still run off normal petrol. They may use less of it, but they still use it nonetheless. Remember, driving a Prius won't make the Earth last longer, it'll just make it seem longer.

username.exe Sep 25th 2015 8:59 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by sir_eccles (Post 11757903)
As an aside, I saw my first "Carson '16" bumper sticker today. On a Prius!

Satire, surely?

[Disclosure: I am a Prius-driving dirty librul. Not for the environment though, I just hate paying California gas prices.]

Giantaxe Sep 25th 2015 9:00 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by username.exe (Post 11758007)
Satire, surely?

[Disclosure: I am a Prius-driving dirty librul. Not for the environment though, I just hate paying California gas prices.]

I saw a Trump bumper sticker in the people's republic of Berkeley of all places.

zargof Sep 25th 2015 9:03 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11758004)
Yes, but they still run off normal petrol. They may use less of it, but they still use it nonetheless. Remember, driving a Prius won't make the Earth last longer, it'll just make it seem longer.

The type of car you drive will have no effect on how long the Earth lasts. The only thing it may alter is how long it is until civilisation returns to the Dark Ages.

SultanOfSwing Sep 25th 2015 9:05 am

Re: 2016 Election
 
So far, the only bumper sticker I have seen is a Bernie Sanders one. Where I live (last election it was nothing but Romney stickers), that's quite a big deal.

Steerpike Sep 25th 2015 9:06 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11758004)
Yes, but they still run off normal petrol. They may use less of it, but they still use it nonetheless. Remember, driving a Prius won't make the Earth last longer, it'll just make it seem longer.

Don't get it. Are you suggesting (for sake of argument) that if everyone drove a Hummer it would be the same impact as if everyone drove a Prius? Surely, reducing consumption is a very valid step forward?

Steerpike Sep 25th 2015 9:08 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 11758008)
I saw a Trump bumper sticker in the people's republic of Berkeley of all places.

Well let's face it, Trump is the best hope the Democrats have of winning the election, so we (liberals) should all sport Trump bumper stickers for now (until the primaries are over).

SultanOfSwing Sep 25th 2015 9:08 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11758015)
Don't get it. Are you suggesting (for sake of argument) that if everyone drove a Hummer it would be the same impact as if everyone drove a Prius? Surely, reducing consumption is a very valid step forward?

I was being facetious. What I'm getting at is the difference it makes will be immeasurable in the grand scheme of things.

Moving away from dependence on petroleum based fuels for cars is the only thing that will make any difference. But that in itself isn't going to happen overnight - electric isn't going to cut it unless we change how it is generated; hydrogen is too costly to produce. Bio-fuels may be the way to go for now.

username.exe Sep 25th 2015 9:10 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11758016)
Well let's face it, Trump is the best hope the Democrats have of winning the election, so we (liberals) should all sport Trump bumper stickers for now (until the primaries are over).

I quite fancy one of those hats, myself.

Steerpike Sep 25th 2015 9:11 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by username.exe (Post 11758019)
I quite fancy one of those hats, myself.

Do you have flyaway hair?

username.exe Sep 25th 2015 9:12 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by Steerpike (Post 11758020)
Do you have flyaway hair?

Can be substituted for a dead cat.

FlaviusAetius Sep 25th 2015 10:14 am

Re: 2016 Election
 

Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing (Post 11758017)
I was being facetious. What I'm getting at is the difference it makes will be immeasurable in the grand scheme of things.

Moving away from dependence on petroleum based fuels for cars is the only thing that will make any difference. But that in itself isn't going to happen overnight - electric isn't going to cut it unless we change how it is generated; hydrogen is too costly to produce. Bio-fuels may be the way to go for now.

In the long, long run, once the world's petroleum reserves have been exhausted, the future of transportation will consist of bicycles, horse-drawn carriages and sailing ships - and a population back down to a few hundred million at most (how could you have vast wheat and maize farms without liquid-fuel powered farm equipment?). So even the worthy Prius (Prii in the plural?) is/are but a stopgap in the grand scheme of things. Being semi-facetious.


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