2016 Election
#3001
Re: 2016 Election
It was a breath of fresh air when Bill Clinton was elected president. Eight years later along come Bush Jnr. Cheney and Rumsfeld. Eight years on the housing market had collapsed, two wars and hundreds of young men and women coming home in boxes or badly maimed, Wall Street in chaos, the unemployment rate up over 10 percent, banks going under GM, Ford and Chrysler about to declare Chapter 11.
Now we have ISIS, millions seeking asylum in the west and the man and his administration responsible for it sitting in retirement in Texas crying into his bourbon and feeling sorry for himself
Now we have ISIS, millions seeking asylum in the west and the man and his administration responsible for it sitting in retirement in Texas crying into his bourbon and feeling sorry for himself
"Now we have ISIS, millions seeking asylum in the west and the man and his administration responsible for it sitting in retirement in Texas crying into his bourbon and feeling sorry for himself"
What's interesting is that, after seven years in office, Obama isn't responsible for any of the bad stuff at all, only the good stuff. What a charmed life!
#3002
Re: 2016 Election
Besides, Obama does f**k all with everything they send to him, unless it is exactly, precisely, word for word, what he demanded they send him. That's his definition of bipartisanship. He's no Bill Clinton, who was able to get stuff done because he did work with the opposition.
Don't expect much in 2016. It's likely the Dems will take back control of the Senate in the 2016 general, then we'll have four more years of gridlock. It's very, very frustrating.
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#3003
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Re: 2016 Election
Bernie Sanders served in the US House of Representatives for 16 years, and has served in the US Senate for almost 10 years. I'd say being a part of the legislative branch of the United States government for over 25 years is a bit more than near-zero experience in US politics.
Trump, on the other hand, well I flushed something more fit to govern the US than him down the bog this morning.
Trump, on the other hand, well I flushed something more fit to govern the US than him down the bog this morning.
I certainly wouldn't consider Sanders inexperienced. Not sure what the other poster wants experience wise if 25 years in congress isn't sufficient.
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#3004
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Re: 2016 Election
"Now we have ISIS, millions seeking asylum in the west and the man and his administration responsible for it sitting in retirement in Texas crying into his bourbon and feeling sorry for himself"
What's interesting is that, after seven years in office, Obama isn't responsible for any of the bad stuff at all, only the good stuff. What a charmed life!
What's interesting is that, after seven years in office, Obama isn't responsible for any of the bad stuff at all, only the good stuff. What a charmed life!
If you listen to the GOP they think that the Affordable Care Act is the biggest crime in history. The fact that millions of Americans less fortunate than us had health insurance for the first time doesn't seem to mean a thing to them.
Obama could have let the banks collapse. GM and Chrysler file for bankruptcy putting millions out of work but he bailed them out, That didn't go down well with the GOP. According to them he screwed up but they would have done the same had they won.
I don't know what happened to the GOP. Reagan and Bush senior were okay. I even voted for them but the bunch we have now seemed to have started with the likes of Sarah Palin and the Tea Party
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#3005
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Re: 2016 Election
What experience does Trump have? He talks up a storm but there's very little substance to it all. That goes for the rest of the GOP candidates. Lack of substance
#3006
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Re: 2016 Election
The Republicans, will undoubtedly do f**k all with Obama's ideas. After all, they are the opposition party. It's what an opposition party does. And it's not smart to take swipes at the opposition if you expect them to cooperate.
Besides, Obama does f**k all with everything they send to him, unless it is exactly, precisely, word for word, what he demanded they send him. That's his definition of bipartisanship. He's no Bill Clinton, who was able to get stuff done because he did work with the opposition.
Don't expect much in 2016. It's likely the Dems will take back control of the Senate in the 2016 general, then we'll have four more years of gridlock. It's very, very frustrating.
Besides, Obama does f**k all with everything they send to him, unless it is exactly, precisely, word for word, what he demanded they send him. That's his definition of bipartisanship. He's no Bill Clinton, who was able to get stuff done because he did work with the opposition.
Don't expect much in 2016. It's likely the Dems will take back control of the Senate in the 2016 general, then we'll have four more years of gridlock. It's very, very frustrating.
#3008
Re: 2016 Election
I actually like the gridlock; aside from the quarreling over the debt ceiling and other amateur theatrics. After all, things are going pretty well right now. The economy is improving and the rate of uninsured continues to drop. The last thing we need is some right wing social engineering screwing things up or a GOP tax plan ballooning the deficit further. That being the case - either the presidency or the senate being controlled by the Dems and ensuring nothing gets done is what I am hoping for.
#3009
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Re: 2016 Election
“But it will only happen if we work together. It will only happen if we can have rational, constructive debates. It will only happen if we fix our politics.”
#3010
Re: 2016 Election
Besides, Obama does f**k all with everything they send to him, unless it is exactly, precisely, word for word, what he demanded they send him. That's his definition of bipartisanship. He's no Bill Clinton, who was able to get stuff done because he did work with the opposition.
It's hard to know how much credit he deserves for it since congress has been essentially twiddling their thumbs and trying to score political points rather than actually do anything useful, but it is plain wrong to claim that he has been obstructing.
#3011
Re: 2016 Election
Remember Sarah Palin's parting words to the Tea Party members who had won seats in Congress for the first time. "Let's make sure that Obama is a one term President" Says it all really. They're a bunch of out of control mavericks who will eventually if not unseated irreparably damage the Republican Party for years to come
If Trump should win the Presidency, but the Democrats win control of the Senate - as seems increasingly likely in my view - would you not expect Harry Reid do what he can to make sure that Trump becomes a one-term President? I would.
#3012
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Re: 2016 Election
To do otherwise would be hypocritical.
#3013
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Re: 2016 Election
It seems that many posters on this thread have the quaint notion that Republican voters send Republican members of Congress and Senators to Washington - enough to gain control of both Houses - in order to become junior partners in a Grand Coalition government. That's not why Republicans voted for Republican representatives rather than Democratic representatives.
If Trump should win the Presidency, but the Democrats win control of the Senate - as seems increasingly likely in my view - would you not expect Harry Reid do what he can to make sure that Trump becomes a one-term President? I would.
If Trump should win the Presidency, but the Democrats win control of the Senate - as seems increasingly likely in my view - would you not expect Harry Reid do what he can to make sure that Trump becomes a one-term President? I would.
#3014
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Re: 2016 Election
Your position would have more credibility if, for example, the Republicans "repeal and replace" of Obamacare actually had a "replace" component. It doesn't. It merely consists of voting ad nauseam to scrap the ACA. The lack of an alternative illustrates that opposed to being a credible opposition they are merely interested in opposing Obama as opposed to coming up with credible alternative solutions to real problems. "Opposition" is about more than shouting "no".
Amusingly on CNN this morning they were showing an interview with her and a caption saying that she had been fighting for income redistribution all her life.
Sure has.
#3015
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Re: 2016 Election
"Now we have ISIS, millions seeking asylum in the west and the man and his administration responsible for it sitting in retirement in Texas crying into his bourbon and feeling sorry for himself"
What's interesting is that, after seven years in office, Obama isn't responsible for any of the bad stuff at all, only the good stuff. What a charmed life!
What's interesting is that, after seven years in office, Obama isn't responsible for any of the bad stuff at all, only the good stuff. What a charmed life!
Unless Obama builds a time machine, there isn't much that can be done about any of that after the fact. But I'm sure that if he could get a time machine built that you would support GOP efforts to block the funding, because that's how you roll.