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Will Boris' win cause NI & Scotland to leave?

Old Jan 23rd 2020, 3:49 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
​​​​​​I'm a bit surprised that no journalist or politician has mentioned the "modifications" to the WA, and questioned how that might affect the Jan 31 "leave" date. After all, it's not what the EU signed up to.

What am I missing?
Not mentioned in this BBC article.

https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-politics-51214761

Instead it says:

The European Parliament will meet on 29 January to debate the agreement, which sets out the terms of the UK's "divorce" settlement with the EU, the rights of EU nationals resident in the UK and British expats on the continent and arrangements for Northern Ireland.Its ratification is expected to prove a formality.
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Old Jan 23rd 2020, 4:02 pm
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But Boris removed much of that. So it's a different agreement. Not?
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Old Jan 23rd 2020, 5:32 pm
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Default Re: Will Boris' win cause NI & Scotland to leave?

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
You mean it's not all like this?

https://www.youtube.com/watch?v=uRtjQHTnKVY
That's too black and white. Perhaps you saw Tom Jones or Harry Secombe in colour?
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Old Jan 24th 2020, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
​​​​​​I'm a bit surprised that no journalist or politician has mentioned the "modifications" to the WA, and questioned how that might affect the Jan 31 "leave" date. After all, it's not what the EU signed up to.

What am I missing?
I may well be wrong and I'll happily stand corrected but are the modifications not solely to the UK's side of things?

I don't think there are any alterations proposed to either the legal document or the political statement as agreed between the UK and the EU, but with the difficulty in getting the nod from the previous parliament, various "concessions" were made in the hope of sugaring the pill enough to get the votes required. Those were purely and simply commitments to parliament on various fronts on the part of the UK government and not anything affecting what's contained in the WA itself. Now there's a thumping Tory majority, they're no longer required and can be unceremoniously dumped.
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Welcome back, Eric!

You may be right. But my confusion is that it appears to be widely reported that the WA was changed, so that's essentially a different agreement, which one would expect would require rescrutinisation by the other party. No guarantee that it would be accepted.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
..it appears to be widely reported that the WA was changed...
Have you any examples?
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No. I think it was unclear in the press what documents exactly had been rewritten, which leads to confusion over whether the WA had been altered.

Anyway, it's a done deal, so moot point.

Brexit officially signed off by EU President as she puts pen to UK's withdrawal deal

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I don't think it's done until the EU parliament ratifies it, is it?

Maybe the confusion re amendments is due to the proliferation of the terms containing the words "withdrawal agreement" - the UK parliament is debating the amended Withdrawal Agreement Bill, which isn't the same thing as The Withdrawal Agreement.
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Its sort of like the headlines a few months ago announcing President Trump had been impeached.

'Impeached' and 'withdrawl agreement' can be moulded to mean various things evidently. I think word meanings are flexible Depending on which journalist is writing and which spin they want to portray.

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Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
I don't think it's done until the EU parliament ratifies it, is it?
Technically, no, of course. But it was the membership represented in Parliament that agreed to it in the first place, so if it remains "unaltered" then it's hard to imagine it wouldn't be ratified.
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Default Re: Will Boris' win cause NI & Scotland to leave?

Originally Posted by Red Eric View Post
I don't think it's done until the EU parliament ratifies it, is it?

Maybe the confusion re amendments is due to the proliferation of the terms containing the words "withdrawal agreement" - the UK parliament is debating the amended Withdrawal Agreement Bill, which isn't the same thing as The Withdrawal Agreement.
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