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Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Old May 20th 2014, 4:28 pm
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Default Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Earlier today I cam across a report which confirmed that immigration is the subject that most concerns the UK population ( just over 50% of those surveyed.
It also came up with other interesting facts.
Those surveyed thought that the immigrant population of the UK is as high as 31% when it is actually somewhere between 13-15%.
The report also suggested that rather than there be a flood of immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria those registered in employment in the UK has fallen.
What it does suggest that I think none of us can disagree with is that during a period of recession and widening wealth gaps those who have lost out and are not benefitting from growth look for scapegoats and all too readily believe unsubstantiated facts and rumour.
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Old May 20th 2014, 4:33 pm
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Default Re: Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Since the entire world (-1) is racist, I reckon the answer is clear..

I can't always be sure what to believe, but I'm pretty good at knowing what NOT to believe.
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Old May 20th 2014, 4:38 pm
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Default Re: Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Since the entire world (-1) is racist, I reckon the answer is clear..

I can't always be sure what to believe, but I'm pretty good at knowing what NOT to believe.
Brilliant
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Old May 20th 2014, 4:40 pm
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The man in the pub for can gets my vote.
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Old May 20th 2014, 4:41 pm
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Default Re: Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Earlier today I cam across a report which confirmed that immigration is the subject that most concerns the UK population ( just over 50% of those surveyed.
It also came up with other interesting facts.
Those surveyed thought that the immigrant population of the UK is as high as 31% when it is actually somewhere between 13-15%.
The report also suggested that rather than there be a flood of immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria those registered in employment in the UK has fallen.
What it does suggest that I think none of us can disagree with is that during a period of recession and widening wealth gaps those who have lost out and are not benefitting from growth look for scapegoats and all too readily believe unsubstantiated facts and rumour.
How many threads do you want on this subject, don't you think enough is enough.
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Old May 20th 2014, 4:41 pm
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Default Re: Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Earlier today I cam across a report which confirmed that immigration is the subject that most concerns the UK population ( just over 50% of those surveyed.
It also came up with other interesting facts.
Those surveyed thought that the immigrant population of the UK is as high as 31% when it is actually somewhere between 13-15%.
The report also suggested that rather than there be a flood of immigrants from Romania and Bulgaria those registered in employment in the UK has fallen.
What it does suggest that I think none of us can disagree with is that during a period of recession and widening wealth gaps those who have lost out and are not benefitting from growth look for scapegoats and all too readily believe unsubstantiated facts and rumour.
"just over", "as high as", "somewhere between"

where are the high standards of accuracy you demand from everyone else
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Old May 20th 2014, 4:46 pm
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I believe everything EMR has to say on any subject......there, saves a 20 page long pointless thread now
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Old May 20th 2014, 4:54 pm
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Default Re: Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Yes, it's getting silly now... but why not capitalise on it?

In celebration of the renaissance of the "R" word, how about we hijack this thread as a "you might be racist if..." thread?

You're probably a racist if you:
  • ever suspected a non-anglo saxon of committing a crime
  • ever use the word "black" to describe a person of African descent
  • refer to someone as racist to settle an argument

any more?
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Old May 20th 2014, 5:02 pm
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My point in raising this thread has little to do with the subject of immigration but just how easliy people are led by rumour, vested interest and personal predjudice.
The main theme of the report is the social divisions that are developing because of the increasing lack of focus on facts.
Immigration and the misinformation being spread by some was given as an example.
It suggests that we do not want to accept facts if they do not confirm our pre conceptions
It is a dangerous trend and one that could lead to increasing social divisions.
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Stupid, pointless thread....I am out
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Give it a rest.
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Default Re: Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Originally Posted by jackytoo View Post
Stupid, pointless thread....I am out
Me too....although I'd bet EMR will continue the thread even if he/she has to argue on his/her own.
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Old May 20th 2014, 5:12 pm
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Thank you JT, Madrid boy La Manch etc, you have confirmed what the author is suggesting.
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Old May 20th 2014, 5:17 pm
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Default Re: Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Thank you JT, Madrid boy La Manch etc, you have confirmed what the author is suggesting.
The facts for me our at times on our doorstep, not rumor or led by media but what we see every day in our communities with our own eyes.
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Default Re: Who Do you Believe UGOV, KINGS COLLEGE or the man in the pub.

Originally Posted by EMR View Post
My point in raising this thread has little to do with the subject of immigration but just how easliy people are led by rumour, vested interest and personal predjudice.
The main theme of the report is the social divisions that are developing because of the increasing lack of focus on facts.
Immigration and the misinformation being spread by some was given as an example.
It suggests that we do not want to accept facts if they do not confirm our pre conceptions
It is a dangerous trend and one that could lead to increasing social divisions.
Me thinks the man doth protest too much.

To be frank EMR there is little else you can post that you haven't already.

You clearly won't convert people to your view in the same way as I no-one has managed to alter your views.

It really has been done to death.

Now women messing around in football would be a much better ruck in the wake of the Scudamore business.
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