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Old Nov 26th 2018, 1:56 am
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The same 3 assholes ruining what used to be an enjoyable part of my downtime. BE used to be a great source of information and a way to meet new people in similar circumstances. Now the Oz forum has become nothing but the same people bickering constantly. New members are not made welcome - instead they're called ill informed or stupid or told they shouldn't post because they haven't lived in the country long enough. A once very busy part of this site is now dead except for a handful who've gone out of their way to destroy every thread with "my dad can beat up your dad" type childishness .

That and my favourite brother is in hospital scheduled for urgent triple bypass surgery Wednesday morning.
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Old Nov 26th 2018, 2:04 am
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The same 3 assholes ruining what used to be an enjoyable part of my downtime. BE used to be a great source of information and a way to meet new people in similar circumstances. Now the Oz forum has become nothing but the same people bickering constantly. New members are not made welcome - instead they're called ill informed or stupid or told they shouldn't post because they haven't lived in the country long enough. A once very busy part of this site is now dead except for a handful who've gone out of their way to destroy every thread with "my dad can beat up your dad" type childishness .

That and my favourite brother is in hospital scheduled for urgent triple bypass surgery Wednesday morning.
Really sorry to hear about your brother Dorothy, I hope that his surgery goes well and he's fighting fit in no time. Very scary for you xx

I actively avoid the Oz forums now
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Yep. Unbelievable. I wonder if I had missed the phone call and turned up at day surgery tomorrow if they would have actually turned me away? On one hand I am glad I answered even though it really pissed me off and I didn't feel they should have called but waited until after the procedure but on the other hand I would have been fuming to prep and be turned away in the morning.


Sorry to hear that mate. Can you appeal the decision?
Hope things go well for you tomorrow, and no more surprise payments pop up.

Nah, no way to appeal, its just one of the many things our universal system doesn't cover.
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Hope things go well for you tomorrow, and no more surprise payments pop up.

Nah, no way to appeal, its just one of the many things our universal system doesn't cover.
Having lived in the UK, US and Canada I have experience of 3 health systems.

UK..the NHS seems to be very much dependant of where you live. Money talks...if you have private healthcare insurance or can pay for private health care you can have the best of all worlds.

US...fantastic if you have great healthcare insurance. Again...money talks. If you haven’t...tough luck.

Canada...I can only speak for my limited (5yr) experience in Toronto. So far...first class...but I wish I had the opportunity to go private if I wished.
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For physical health I dont have a huge issue with the system in BC, its mental health that is lacking big time and that is where my frustration stems from, there is little in the way of help for certain mental disorders in the public system, and if you cannot afford to self pay for a therapist, your sol and get to suffer.

My extended health does cover $300 per year for mental health, and I did use it, only got me 2 visits.

I was cursed with disorder where the only effective treatment is long term therapy.



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Having lived in the UK, US and Canada I have experience of 3 health systems.

UK..the NHS seems to be very much dependant of where you live. Money talks...if you have private healthcare insurance or can pay for private health care you can have the best of all worlds.

US...fantastic if you have great healthcare insurance. Again...money talks. If you haven’t...tough luck.

Canada...I can only speak for my limited (5yr) experience in Toronto. So far...first class...but I wish I had the opportunity to go private if I wished.

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Old Nov 26th 2018, 5:29 am
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For physical health I dont have a huge issue with the system in BC, its mental health that is lacking big time and that is where my frustration stems from, there is little in the way of help for certain mental disorders in the public system, and if you cannot afford to self pay for a therapist, your sol and get to suffer.

My extended health does cover $300 per year for mental health, and I did use it, only got me 2 visits.

I was cursed with disorder where the only effective treatment is long term therapy.
I know J and I sympathize. What I am trying to get across is, 3 of the world’s greatest/most progressive countries, have not managed to find a solution to healthcare that fits all.
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I know J and I sympathize. What I am trying to get across is, 3 of the world’s greatest/most progressive countries, have not managed to find a solution to healthcare that fits all.
There isn't.

Just frustrating when you need help and cant get any.

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I know J and I sympathize. What I am trying to get across is, 3 of the world’s greatest/most progressive countries, have not managed to find a solution to healthcare that fits all.
Mental health care in the UK is abysmal with much hand-wringing by the government in terms of focusing more resource on it. However, I see a lot of the money that is there going on "long term" therapies for the lucky few, rather than rapid triage and diagnosis for the majority. Thus people simply "slip through the net", whilst others get to turn up to their regular counselling sessions with little objective assessment of the benefit. It's a difficult one, where does analysis stop and counselling begin? When does such counselling require scarce resource as against specialist counsellors? As a behaviourist, I'm not the best person to answer that one........

Likewise, with increased (although not increasing) life expectancy and broader coverage, odd decisions in the NHS and by their paymasters in government have impacts on treatment for other ailments. The ridiculous situation of bed-blocking due to a lack of social care provision is one impact, another is the situation I experienced earlier this year when my post-cancer monitoring was delayed by three months due to a lack of resource resulting from increased focus on diagnosis due to government "commitment" (the exact opposite of the mental health issue!). This is the impact for a fiscally-constrained "universal" system where they cannot just increase revenue by raising prices.... increased focus just means robbing Peter to pay Paul.
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For physical health I dont have a huge issue with the system in BC, its mental health that is lacking big time and that is where my frustration stems from, there is little in the way of help for certain mental disorders in the public system, and if you cannot afford to self pay for a therapist, your sol and get to suffer.

My extended health does cover $300 per year for mental health, and I did use it, only got me 2 visits.

I was cursed with disorder where the only effective treatment is long term therapy.

Mental health is hugely undersupported in so many places. These are complex psychological, chemical and biological issues, and yet somehow they are not seen as illnesses like any other when they can cause far more suffering and be far more debilitating.
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Mental health is hugely undersupported in so many places. These are complex psychological, chemical and biological issues, and yet somehow they are not seen as illnesses like any other when they can cause far more suffering and be far more debilitating.
We'll not start on the concept of mental "illness"........ use of that term has caused a lot of issues over time. Of all the books I read for my Psych degree, no title/author combination stands out like "The myth of mental illness" by Szasz and Ausubel's riposte "Personality disorder is disease". I don't know why, maybe they just played into my behaviourist leanings...... IMO, few mental health issues are as a result of lesions or physical impairment (i.e. classical "illness"), more are due to chemical imbalance (natural or not) and the majority are behavioural reactions. That doesn't make them any easier to treat, but it makes the classical medical practice less effective. Unfortunately, I refrained from practice having seen that my professor, a world class psychologist and criminologist, was chief psychologist at the local mental hospital, but came third in the pecking order behind the chief nursing officer and the chief psychiatrist...... both of whom were more committed to the restraint of patients than their treatment. Mental hospitals are no more, but I doubt that the pecking order has changed in mental health provision.

Like social care, mental health is a separate, though related, thing to general health care. This might seem pedantic, but it means that both get subsumed into the maw of health care and suffer disproportionate cuts and/or restrictions because funding decisions are made by medics and bureaucrats. My tumour was excised and my illness stopped, but there is no such treatment for schizophrenia.
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https://www.bbc.com/news/world-latin-america-46327634

Greed and shortsightedness.

We aren't going to have a home to go to.
Well, who would have thought that deforestation would get worse with that piece of shit they just elected in power. Color me shocked.

Though, does this mean they'll have to pay Norway back (or did Norway already disqualify them from the payment because they suck at managing their rainforests?)
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Mental health is hugely undersupported in so many places. These are complex psychological, chemical and biological issues, and yet somehow they are not seen as illnesses like any other when they can cause far more suffering and be far more debilitating.
Indeed it is. I am to a point I am barely functioning on a good day, luckily my employer has been understanding and letting me take weeks off at a time but eventually they will tire of that.

There are private places who treat borderline, but being private that cost money and yeah a bit beyond our affordability range. I do have extended health and its whopping $300/yr coverage, but to put into perspective how little that is, 1 month of treatment for borderline runs $900.

If a psychiatrist can treat with medication = covered

If primary treatment is therapy and provided by a psychologist, counselor = not covered.

If you can find a unicorn psychiatrist who provides therapy = covered (this sort of psychiatrist is pretty non-existent.)

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Indeed it is. I am to a point I am barely functioning on a good day.

There are private places who treat borderline, but being private that cost money and yeah a bit beyond our affordability range. I do have extended health and its whopping $300/yr coverage, but to put into perspective how little that is, 1 month of treatment for borderline runs $900.
Without needing details, I feel for you. However, unless you need prescription drugs there is no reason why treatment should be expensive or beyond reach - the "medicalisation" of behaviour therapy/counselling is working against you. Always remember, a psychologist is someone with several years study of psychology, a psychiatrist is a medical doctor with as little as 6 months speciality of psychology. The difference? On one level, psychologists can't prescribe drugs, on another, they don't want to do so.

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Mental health is hugely undersupported in so many places. These are complex psychological, chemical and biological issues, and yet somehow they are not seen as illnesses like any other when they can cause far more suffering and be far more debilitating.
True - the UK being the prime example.
A party-political-issue to score some points about in parliament; a useful tax write-off for corporates sticking occasional adverts on TV; and total indifference by the population. Sufferers are seen as weak/work-shy/incapables.
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Without needing details, I feel for you. However, unless you need prescription drugs there is no reason why treatment should be expensive or beyond reach - the "medicalisation" of behaviour therapy/counselling is working against you. Always remember, a psychologist is someone with several years study of psychology, a psychiatrist is a medical doctor with as little as 6 months speciality of psychology. The difference? On one level, psychologists can't prescribe drugs, on another, they don't want to do so.
That is why the medical system covers psychiatrists because they are MD's, Psychologist would be far more helpful for me, especially ones educated in my disorder but they are not considered medical caregivers by the medical system and so not covered.

Maybe one day the healthcare system will realize there is no one size fits all model and not every mental health problem can be treated solely with medications.

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