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Old Mar 13th 2012, 10:00 pm
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So, in a nutshell, living in a supposedly democratic society, where should the line, as far as laws impacting on personal choice, be drawn?
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Originally Posted by Uncle Ebenezer View Post
So, in a nutshell, living in a supposedly democratic society, where should the line, as far as laws impacting on personal choice, be drawn?
It's a neverending push me / pull you process. I don't think there are ever any clear lines drawn.
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Default Re: Virginia law would force women seeking abortion to undergo probe

Originally Posted by Uncle Ebenezer View Post
So, in a nutshell, living in a supposedly democratic society, where should the line, as far as laws impacting on personal choice, be drawn?
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It's a neverending push me / pull you process. I don't think there are ever any clear lines drawn.
Rule of thumb: Any thing done by an adult that does not impact on others is OK

Problems comes defining what constitutes a legitimate impact on others.

On a more important matter: Gerrard with a second.
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Originally Posted by kimilseung View Post
Rule of thumb: Any thing done by an adult that does not impact on others is OK

Problems comes defining what constitutes a legitimate impact on others.

On a more important matter: Gerrard with a second.
Alcohol is legal - marijuana is illegal. Go figure.
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Alcohol is legal - marijuana is illegal. Go figure.
And looking at Mexico, the impact on others is greatly increased by it being illegal.
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It's a neverending push me / pull you process. I don't think there are ever any clear lines drawn.
I was just thinking, we all have laws which we think are daft and shouldn't apply to us - for instance, I don't think my speed on an interstate should be restricted to 75mph. I do recognise and accept though that, should I be caught exceeding the limit, I'll be rightly punished.

We all have the right to our opinions and to lobby, before and after laws are passed. Having said that though, as long as the laws are constitutional and decided through due process, by elected officials, we don't really have a right to whinge, once they're in place, do we?
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Originally Posted by kimilseung View Post
Rule of thumb: Any thing done by an adult that does not impact on others is OK

Problems comes defining what constitutes a legitimate impact on others.

On a more important matter: Gerrard with a second.
"Anything done by an adult ..." What we're talking about though, are things done by elected state officials, enforcing a properly formulated law.
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Originally Posted by Uncle Ebenezer View Post
I was just thinking, we all have laws which we think are daft and shouldn't apply to us - for instance, I don't think my speed on an interstate should be restricted to 75mph. I do recognise and accept though that, should I be caught exceeding the limit, I'll be rightly punished.

We all have the right to our opinions and to lobby, before and after laws are passed. Having said that though, as long as the laws are constitutional and decided through due process, by elected officials, we don't really have a right to whinge, once they're in place, do we?
I suppose some of this comes back to what we were discussing on the other thread about when the rights of an individual begin.
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Did the creature crawl back up its own anus?
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Default Re: Virginia law would force women seeking abortion to undergo probe

Originally Posted by Uncle Ebenezer View Post
I was just thinking, we all have laws which we think are daft and shouldn't apply to us - for instance, I don't think my speed on an interstate should be restricted to 75mph. I do recognise and accept though that, should I be caught exceeding the limit, I'll be rightly punished.

We all have the right to our opinions and to lobby, before and after laws are passed. Having said that though, as long as the laws are constitutional and decided through due process, by elected officials, we don't really have a right to whinge, once they're in place, do we?
Sure we absolutely have a right to complain about the laws we disagree with. We don't necessarily have a right to disobey them though. It's the "whinging" that got them changed and/or created in the first place.
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I suppose some of this comes back to what we were discussing on the other thread about when the rights of an individual begin.
Right, but we're talking about the rights of an adult here, not an embryo/foetus/baby.
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Did the creature crawl back up its own anus?
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Sure we absolutely have a right to complain about the laws we disagree with. We don't necessarily have a right to disobey them though. It's the "whinging" that got them changed and/or created in the first place.
As I said, I agree we should be able to have our opinions about laws and to be allowed to lobby to have them changed. What I meant was, we can't complain if laws we disagree with are passed, as long as they've been through the proper processes, to get into the statute books.
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Right, but we're talking about the rights of an adult here, not an embryo/foetus/baby.
Yeah but I think that's where it is less clear regarding abortion.

That doesn't give these goons the right to start their fascist probing agenda though.
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