Red Eric

Nigel?

I somehow doubt it either will or would be desirable for it to come to pass.

Although the Tory Party has a stonking great majority and gets a boner every time there's an opportunity to be nasty to immigrants, they haven't shown the slightest inclination to aim for a target of nett zero. Far from it, in fact - they've made it clear they want everybody to forget about the 100,000 pledge altogether and replaced it with a rather vague expectation that doing away with FoM and not issuing residence visas for workers in low paid or low-skilled occupations (take your pick depending on the intended message of the day), nett immigration will fall. I expect they're probably right on that score, although they already appear to be playing a bit fast and loose with their stated ambitions

So if the Tories are not going to aim for nett zero - and if they were to do so by the introduction of a draconian immigration policy, I'm sure Priti Patel would be exactly the right sort of person to do it so obviously they've realised that to do so would hurt huge swathes of Tory voters and aren't going to - then the only other way it could be achieved would be to have a massive outflow along with a reduced intake. That would generally only occur during periods of extreme economic hardship, which I wouldn't recommend as a method of getting immigration down.

DigitalGhost

Less over-population and the government only accepting the type of immigrants that the population want to be here (i.e. following the democratic wishes of the electorate) rather than bowing to corporate pressure.

DigitalGhost

Why is that "tripe" in your opinion when FoM from Europe isn't?

I'm not arguing that it's a good idea and personally I don't think it would be particularly beneficial to either country but your hypocrisy on this subject is rather interesting.

DaveLovesDee

The democratic wishes of which section of the population? Business people who know what they need, or Britain First / UKIP / Brexit Party / EDL?

And how, and how often would those democratic wishes be given to make the immigration system responsive to the needs of the UK? Every month or 3, annually, or at re-election time? Maybe we could have another non-binding referendum, though a binding one with defined majorities and percentage of turnout would be better.

paulry

All of the UK's inhabitants. It is possible for regions to have different skills in demand lists and sponsorship routes to attract people. And it's quite easy to develop visa conditions to accommodate. And if employers don't get enough from UK national workers then they should up the pay rate and offer training - not import people who are willing to do it on the cheap and while doing so put more pressure on property rental and purchase prices - burning the economic candle at both ends for those who are already at the lowest end of the socio-economic scale. Surely you can see the value in putting a stop to wage compression/freeze and simultaneously taking pressure off property rental prices??

Regarding your last question: Not many countries actually publish occupation shortage lists. Most don't really encourage immigration at all.

paulry

And why do you think that was?

paulry

I agree. And how ironic that behaviour is from those who see themselves as occupying the left side of politics.

paulry

FoM between the UK and Australia was never going to happen.

Well whatever the model, one thing there is a gravitation towards is a well-managed immigration system.

paulry

I absolutely agree.

paulry

It's the business system rather than the tech/constituent parts. The UK government is notoriously appalling at implementing IT solutions. I wonder how much of that ineptitude is down to The Swamp.

DigitalGhost

Well me for one and I'm not a member, associate or supporter of any of those parties.

DigitalGhost

https://www.personneltoday.com/hr/au...-deal-with-uk/

Some on this forum might consider opinions like that racist or is it OK for a country to exercise stereotypes and prejudice as long as they're directed towards the English?

I would say personally though that free movement between the UK and Australia makes a damn sight more sense than free movement between the UK and Europe although I'm personally not particularly in favour of either option.

amideislas

Just for clarity, are Australians the "right kind of foreigners" then?

spouse of scouse

God no. Never let an Aussie into your country, we'll ruin the place

DigitalGhost

I think London has enough of them already.