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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:08 pm
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Are refugees included under the umbrella of immigrants? I was in the UK for three weeks leading up to the referendum, and the "high street" mood of the nation seemed to be anti refugee, yet people were using the term immigrant. I didn't see either of the two sides making an effort to separate what IMO are different items. Who knows how the vote may have gone had they have.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:18 pm
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Originally Posted by materialcontroller View Post
It's not a misrepresentation. EU citizens have a "right" to enter the UK, and there's very limited powers available to subject them to any kind of scrutiny or to stop and detain them. In many cases, they aren't even asked questions by an immigration officer but simply allowed to proceed through an e-gate at the border. Having to show an EU passport at the border isn't generally an impediment to being allowed in, and that's the problem with EU freedom of movement - at least as far as I am concerned. I have no issue at all with non-EU immigrants.

The country did vote for Brexit, even if some us personally didn't; so all Brits, regardless of our individual views, need to face up to the reality and adapt to the situation.
Your narrative reflects a nearly textbook definition of isolationism. That's one reason why almost anybody outside the bubble has accepted it as a big mistake.

Inside the bubble, it's still promoted as sunlit uplands - although now the buzzword is the new "golden age". You know, like it used to be. You know, when England ruled the seas and all that. Although not one shred of evidence or even any remote chance of that "golden age" ever returning.

Still, wishful thinking will help you feel better in your descent into humility, so it won't be such a shock to wake up and find out you're not superior after all. But at least you won't be so worried about foreigners anymore.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:22 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Your narrative reflects a nearly textbook definition of isolationism. That's one reason why almost anybody outside the bubble has accepted it as a big mistake.

Inside the bubble, it's still promoted as sunlit uplands - although now the buzzword is the new "golden age". You know, like it used to be. You know, when England ruled the seas and all that. Although not one shred of evidence or even any remote chance of that "golden age" ever returning.

Still, wishful thinking will help you feel better in your descent into humility, so it won't be such a shock to wake up and find out you're not superior after all. But at least you won't be so worried about foreigners anymore.
Careful. If you pack any more straw into that argument it might spontaneously combust.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:28 pm
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Well, England's isolationist aspirations are one of the key reasons it's virtually alone in believing Brexit is somehow a good thing. And the English inferiority complex is one well known and accepted root cause. That's no secret, nor a strawman argument. And your narratives are squarely supportive of it. In addition to a fixation on immigration (note: immigration inherently involves foreigners).

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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:34 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Your narrative reflects a nearly textbook definition of isolationism. That's one reason why almost anybody outside the bubble has accepted it as a big mistake.

Inside the bubble, it's still promoted as sunlit uplands - although now the buzzword is the new "golden age". You know, like it used to be. You know, when England ruled the seas and all that. Although not one shred of evidence or even any remote chance of that "golden age" ever returning.

Still, wishful thinking will help you feel better in your descent into humility, so it won't be such a shock to wake up and find out you're not superior after all. But at least you won't be so worried about foreigners anymore.
Ami you refuse to accept that the "bubble" is the EU!!!!
The UK wants to make its own FTDs with other world countries, not have different rules of entry for non-EU migrants, not to have the EU organisation have primacy over its legal system. In other words react freely with more "foreigners".






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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:37 pm
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You need to get out more. You and a few million others. A little fresh air will be liberating for you.

Oh, and the empire isn't coming back. They don't need England anymore. England needs them (ironic, innit?) And foreigners aren't savages anymore. They see you coming. Easy pickins. Is this sinking in yet?

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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:48 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
You need to get out more. You and a few million others. A little fresh air will be liberating for you.

Oh, and the empire isn't coming back. They don't need England anymore. England needs them (ironic, innit?) And foreigners aren't savages anymore. They see you coming. Easy pickins. Is this sinking in yet?
I reckon you need to get a refund luv. Your crystal ball seems faulty.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:50 pm
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Well, there is no chance that the empire will ever be back. Zero. Nothing. If you believe otherwise, then I rest my case.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
You need to get out more. You and a few million others. A little fresh air will be liberating for you.

Oh, and the empire isn't coming back. They don't need England anymore. England needs them. And foreigners aren't savages anymore. They actually see you coming. Is this sinking in yet?
Ami -----FTDs are not building an Empire!!! (EU has FTDs presume it is not rebuilding its Empires!!!!!!)
Yes the UK does 'need them'-----deals benefit both sides!!!
Yes they see us coming!!!!! There are invitations/meetings/Summits etc. etc. 'They' also come to the UK we 'see them coming'!
"Foreigners" never were "savages" Ami and they still are not. Non-savages were not restricted to 27 European countries.

PS Just booked our flights back to an ex-Empire country do you advise I order some pith helmets from Amazon???

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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:52 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Well, England's isolationist aspirations are one of the key reasons it's virtually alone in believing Brexit is somehow a good thing. And the English inferiority complex is one well known and accepted root cause. That's no secret, nor a strawman argument. And your narratives are squarely supportive of it. In addition to a fixation on immigration (note: immigration inherently involves foreigners).

English inferiority complex? You do talk rubbish sometimes. Make that all the time. Can you explain this 'English inferiority complex'?
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 5:54 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Well, there is no chance that the empire will ever be back. Zero. Nothing. If you believe otherwise, then I rest my case.
Hey, you've done it again...you mentioned the 'Empire' word. Do you miss it that much because you are the only one who ever mentions it. Sad but true.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 6:01 pm
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As the global front door to the world's largest trading bloc and 2nd largest economy, England had some leverage in such aspirations. But as a modest island nation with few natural resources, few exports, and little to offer that others do not already have, it hasn't much leverage.

But it is a modest consumer market, so it's worth it to try to pick up some free access to it. Besides, England will be desperate to get cheap imports, so getting free access to the British market (via England)should be an easy negotiation. Now, giving England unfettered access to our markets probably won't be necessary. Because, well, they need us more than we need them. Ironic, eh?
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 6:04 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
As the global front door to the world's largest trading bloc and 2nd largest economy, England had some leverage in such aspirations. But as a modest island nation with few natural resources, few exports, and little to offer that others do not already have, it hasn't much leverage.

But it is a modest consumer market, so it's worth it to try to pick up some free access to it. Besides, England will be desperate to get cheap imports, so getting free access to the British market (via England)should be an easy negotiation. Now, giving England unfettered access to our markets probably won't be necessary. Because, well, they need us more than we need them. Ironic, eh?
Is that in code?
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 6:09 pm
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English inferiority complex? You do talk rubbish sometimes. Make that all the time. Can you explain this 'English inferiority complex'?
Its nothing new. Quite well known. I'm surprised even you are unaware of bit, because it predates the referendum by some decades.

Here's a more contemporary starter for you. Just to make it easier for you to catch up:

Brexit Exposes Britain’s Massive Inferiority Complex


There's quite a few credible and compelling studies out there, but they tend to be more complex than a Daily Express headline.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 6:12 pm
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Originally Posted by la mancha View Post
Is that in code?
I'm truly sorry if you have reading comprehension issues, but like most things that are your own fault, I am not responsible for it. Sorry.
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