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Old Mar 1st 2020, 3:55 am
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
But we're not talking about 65000 people are we? We're talking about closer to ten times that number arriving on the UK's shores year after year. We have no idea how many of those are "unskilled low paid", but its likely to be at least two thirds of that total. More than 400 000. Every year. Even if its half that it is still 300 000. But whatever, it's a bit more than a blip on your radar, don't you think?
And yet they still manage to find employment or create jobs.
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Old Mar 1st 2020, 4:07 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
And yet they still manage to find employment or create jobs.
Yes, the UK has a plentiful supply of cheap labour.
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Old Mar 1st 2020, 5:08 am
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
It was pandering. Randomly plucking 20,000 people from a different part of the world and bringing them to the west just because their own country is in a mess isn't showing compassion. It's showing weakness and stupidity.
Would we be strong and clever to just let them suffer / die / whatever? I mean, I don't want an entire nation of people descending on the UK for help as refugees, it's not practical, sustainable or sensible. However, I don't think we need to be removed from humanity to an extent that we don't at least try and help some people.

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Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 View Post
You forgot to mention weapons sales to countries e.g. to Saudi so that they can smash up Yemen.
Technically, the Saudi's are smashing up Yemen because the Iranians are there....so the Saudi's are smashing up the Iranians by proxy - which we're totally on board with I think.

Originally Posted by paulry View Post
But we're not talking about 65000 people are we? We're talking about closer to ten times that number arriving on the UK's shores year after year. We have no idea how many of those are "unskilled low paid", but its likely to be at least two thirds of that total. More than 400 000. Every year. Even if its half that it is still 300 000. But whatever, it's a bit more than a blip on your radar, don't you think?
I mean, we're not talking about any numbers are we. You're just making them up. You started at 650,000 and then two thirds and then less than half at 300,000.

Make your mind up on your guess or google

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Old Mar 1st 2020, 7:12 am
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Originally Posted by Scamp View Post
I mean, we're not talking about any numbers are we. You're just making them up. You started at 650,000 and then two thirds and then less than half at 300,000.
Even with those (likely exaggerated) numbers, it's still less than 1%. Far from any "crisis".
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Old Mar 1st 2020, 7:32 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Even with those (likely exaggerated) numbers, it's still less than 1%. Far from any "crisis".
We've had that for getting on for 20 years! Is that still far from any "crisis"? And if not, what would be a "crisis" in your book?


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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
We've had that for getting on for 20 years! Is that still far from any "crisis"? And if not, what would be a "crisis" in your book?
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Something exceptionally high. Far above normal. Something exhibiting such tangibly detrimental effects it would qualify as a "crisis".

This just doesn't qualify. Except perhaps for those who think any foreigners are just too many.

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Old Mar 1st 2020, 8:24 am
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
We've had that for getting on for 20 years! Is that still far from any "crisis"? And if not, what would be a "crisis" in your book?
Apparently it doesn't count as a crisis if they're paid a little more, though.

How does that work? What criteria are we using to say it's ok to have a nett 250,000 as long as they earn above x? Is it solely because of the wages? Or is there some way that the wage defines, to some extent, the type of person likely to be in receipt of it?
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Apparently it doesn't count as a crisis if they're paid a little more, though.

How does that work? What criteria are we using to say it's ok to have a nett 250,000 as long as they earn above x? Is it solely because of the wages? Or is there some way that the wage defines, to some extent, the type of person likely to be in receipt of it?
But but but....

If making more money makes them "not bad", it would also make the numbers of "baddies" much lower.

There often seems to be a convenient suggestion of the entire population of foreign born residents as an illustration of the nonexistent "crisis" (although even that is still quite a normal level in comparison to anywhere else).

So, they're either all "baddies", or, after the "earnings" qualification is factored in,​​​ the residual size of the remaining "baddies" (and therefore, the entire nonexistent "crisis") drops substantially.

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Old Mar 1st 2020, 9:09 am
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Originally Posted by paulry View Post
It seems you've lost the argument before you even began.
How many is it then? Come on then, what's the number? Is it close to your made up guesses? Are you anywhere near your assertion of it being "closer to ten times that"? Or are we closer to your immediate third guess of 300,000?

Which is it?

You're making the claims here Paulry, I'm just asking for you to substantiate your claims. It's perfectly reasonable.

It's also perfectly reasonable to call you many names, your a horrid old racist and I remember why you served a ban.

Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Even with those (likely exaggerated) numbers, it's still less than 1%. Far from any "crisis".
They're plucked out of thin air bullshit numbers. The blokes a clown and deserves to be treated like one. Another out of touch, thick old closet racist that this website attracts in droves it seems.
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Old Mar 1st 2020, 10:49 am
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Originally Posted by Watchpost View Post
Not really a fair analogy. When you sell someone a weapon, it's reasonable to assume that it will be used as a weapon.
True however there's no assumption on how that weapon might be used. In most cases it's likely just for national defence and to build a deterrent rather than for use in active military campaigns.
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Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 View Post
Dell laptop purchase comparing with weapon sales to a conflict zone?
I think your fingers hit the keyboard before the brain gave the signal.
Ok so by that notion, those charities that recycle old computers and send them to places like Ghana and Nigeria are essentially feeding crime since those countries are known hotbeds for cyber criminality.

On the other side of the argument some would say those charities fuel education and help a population that wouldn't otherwise have access to technology.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post

And what exactly is "unskilled low paid" in your opinion? Is it someone with less than a master's degree, making less than £50k? If so, you can elevate the size of your "crisis" quite a bit. It's fairly easy to move the goalpost when it's just your "opinion".

In any case, your persistence in demonizing foreigners, particularly as each irrational characterisation is summarily debunked, sheds a very questionable light on your entire diatribe. And consequently, begs the basic question of what exactly do you find so repulsive about foreigners?
As I've said on multiple occasions recently I'm tired of responding to childish and entirely unfounded accusations so please stop responding to my posts. Your attempts at bullying have been acknowledged now please just take it somewhere else.
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Ok so by that notion, those charities that recycle old computers and send them to places like Ghana and Nigeria are essentially feeding crime since those countries are known hotbeds for cyber criminality.

On the other side of the argument some would say those charities fuel education and help a population that wouldn't otherwise have access to technology.
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As far as sweeping generalisations go this is up there. Well played.
I wonder what the numbers are on school kids with computer access and cyber crims in 'places like' Ghana and Nigeria.
Spectacular dislike for anything non-British, especially considering the US is the world hotbed for cyber crime.
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As far as sweeping generalisations go this is up there. Well played.
I wonder what the numbers are on school kids with computer access and cyber crims in 'places like' Ghana and Nigeria.
Spectacular dislike for anything non-British, especially considering the US is the world hotbed for cyber crime.
My point wasn't to demonise those particular places. It was to say that you can't be held responsible for what someone does with your product. Should they stop using ephedrine in all cold medicine just because some people make meth with it?
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
My point wasn't to demonise those particular places. It was to say that you can't be held responsible for what someone does with your product. Should they stop using ephedrine in all cold medicine just because some people make meth with it?
I'm just extrapolating. Anyway, I didn't know they did, that's interesting. I mean, given the quality of coke in the UK nowadays, we'd have to get rid of lucozade tablets and persil if we were worried what was going into class A substances...
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