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Old Jan 15th 2020, 10:27 am
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Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
It's ok, the massive increase in non EU migration (+ 43% in 2018) with make up any shortfall.
However as you know---those skilled non-EU that did not continue to meet income requirements were deported.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 10:41 am
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Originally Posted by materialcontroller View Post
At least non-EU immigrants have to go through a process to come here, instead of just walking in as of "right".
As not having to undergo a process results in lower immigration that's clearly the way to go!

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However as you know---those skilled non-EU that did not continue to meet income requirements were deported.
I don't know that. I know about the very few illegals that have been deported (still over half a million to go) but that's it.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 10:42 am
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As not having to undergo a process results in lower immigration that's clearly the way to go!
My problem isn't with numbers of immigrants.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 11:10 am
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Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post

1) I don't know that.

2) I know about the very few illegals that have been deported (still over half a million to go) but that's it.
1) It has been discussed frequently on TIO!

https://www.theguardian.com/money/20...ns-Australians

2) (Many countries have problems with illegals ----my other country in court for not giving ALL fast track citizenship!!!!!)
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 11:31 am
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At least non-EU immigrants have to go through a process to come here, instead of just walking in as of "right".
This is yet another Brexit misrepresentation. The UK does not subscribe to schengen. "Just walking in" doesn't exist. And for what "freedom of movement" does exist, the UK has historically failed to implement all controls available to it.

But even if it did, the evidence clearly shows that reducing immigration from Europe has no positive effect. Only downside. Not to mention that non-EU immigration still constitutes a larger group of immigrants than those from Europe.

This misconception is the UK's perceived "problem" and the main motivation for Brexit. Without the [incited] xenophobia, the referendum would have clearly gone the other way. The EU has little to do with that, and therefore leaving it is not a "remedy".

Lastly, statistically, immigration in the UK is hardly a "crisis" worthy of the damage caused by the imaginary non-remedy. But that's what almost a third of the population voted for, which apparently is (conveniently) perceived as "democracy".

But you voted for it, and now you'll have to live with the consequences. So don't go blaming everyone else for it.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 12:58 pm
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This is yet another Brexit misrepresentation. The UK does not subscribe to schengen. "Just walking in" doesn't exist. And for what "freedom of movement" does exist, the UK has historically failed to implement all controls available to it.

But even if it did, the evidence clearly shows that reducing immigration from Europe has no positive effect. Only downside. Not to mention that non-EU immigration still constitutes a larger group of immigrants than those from Europe.

This misconception is the UK's perceived "problem" and the main motivation for Brexit. Without the [incited] xenophobia, the referendum would have clearly gone the other way. The EU has little to do with that, and therefore leaving it is not a "remedy".

Lastly, statistically, immigration in the UK is hardly a "crisis" worthy of the damage caused by the imaginary non-remedy. But that's what almost a third of the population voted for, which apparently is (conveniently) perceived as "democracy".

But you voted for it, and now you'll have to live with the consequences. So don't go blaming everyone else for it.
It's not a misrepresentation. EU citizens have a "right" to enter the UK, and there's very limited powers available to subject them to any kind of scrutiny or to stop and detain them. In many cases, they aren't even asked questions by an immigration officer but simply allowed to proceed through an e-gate at the border. Having to show an EU passport at the border isn't generally an impediment to being allowed in, and that's the problem with EU freedom of movement - at least as far as I am concerned. I have no issue at all with non-EU immigrants.

The country did vote for Brexit, even if some us personally didn't; so all Brits, regardless of our individual views, need to face up to the reality and adapt to the situation.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 1:57 pm
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-----(from your previous posts you seem obsessed with strawberry pickers!! Most strawberries in UK seem to be grown under glass nowadays).
Don't they need picking anymore then?
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 2:11 pm
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Don't they need picking anymore then?
Strawberries grown under glass are self picking.
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Are people EVER going to stop going on about immigration to the UK FFS people, you had your referendum which got turned into a "blame the foreigner" fest, you won your referendum, everything is now going to be wonderful. There are about 7.7 billion people on the planet, of whom about 60 million live in the UK. THERE ARE A LOT OF FOREIGNERS! And some of them are going to move around, including to the UK. Accept it, and stop turning every single bloody discussion about bloody everything into a complaint about immigrants - wherever they come from and wherever they're going.












Thanks, I feel better now.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 2:25 pm
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Strawberries grown under glass are self picking.
Self creaming too? Ooh er missus.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 2:57 pm
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Are people EVER going to stop going on about immigration to the UK FFS people, you had your referendum which got turned into a "blame the foreigner" fest, you won your referendum, everything is now going to be wonderful. There are about 7.7 billion people on the planet, of whom about 60 million live in the UK. THERE ARE A LOT OF FOREIGNERS! And some of them are going to move around, including to the UK. Accept it, and stop turning every single bloody discussion about bloody everything into a complaint about immigrants - wherever they come from and wherever they're going. Thanks, I feel better now.
No problem at all with them coming to the UK; just as long as they follow the UK's (and not the EU's) rules of course.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 3:17 pm
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Originally Posted by materialcontroller View Post
At least non-EU immigrants have to go through a process to come here, instead of just walking in as of "right".
They still need to meet certain criteria. That successive UK governments chose not to enforce failure to meet these criteria isn't the fault of EU migrants. But that 'walking in as of right' thing, well they still have to go through passport control, which should be updated if there's evidence of criminality in any EU member state by anyone seeking entry, and these can be refused entry. And that 'walking in as by right' also applies to Brits wanting to live and work in other EU countries, who tend to enforce breaches of rules in most cases more strongly than the UK does.

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However as you know---those skilled non-EU that did not continue to meet income requirements were deported.
How do we know? I haven't seen any links proving that.

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No problem at all with them coming to the UK; just as long as they follow the UK's (and not the EU's) rules of course.
They do have to follow UK rules when in the UK. These UK rules were passed in Parliament at various points in time over the years, and include such things as proving right to reside, right to work, UK employment law, the same laws on educating their children as UK nationals have to follow, and many others. They don't pay any more or any less tax than a UK national would in the same circumstances, nor gain more benefits (where they qualify) than a UK national would in the same circumstances either.

So which UK laws are they not currently following. I suspect you're referring to UK domestic immigration law, which doesn't apply to EU and EEA nationals at present because the UK is still part of a multinational agreement.
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 3:58 pm
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How do we know? I haven't seen any links proving that.

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https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a6814841.html
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 4:06 pm
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Strawberries grown under glass are self picking.
I have read reports of the gradual introduction of robots.

https://www.theengineer.co.uk/strawb...bot-wimbledon/

I was replying to a Poster who seems obsessed with 'strawberry-pickers' and 'baristas' as apparently the only unskilled jobs in the UK!
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Old Jan 15th 2020, 4:25 pm
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They still need to meet certain criteria. That successive UK governments chose not to enforce failure to meet these criteria isn't the fault of EU migrants. But that 'walking in as of right' thing, well they still have to go through passport control, which should be updated if there's evidence of criminality in any EU member state by anyone seeking entry, and these can be refused entry.
Woop-dee-doo. They still have to go through passport control. Not strict enough for my liking.

And that 'walking in as by right' also applies to Brits wanting to live and work in other EU countries, who tend to enforce breaches of rules in most cases more strongly than the UK does.
To be frank, I don't care about whether the same rules apply to Brits entering other EU countries or not.

I suspect you're referring to UK domestic immigration law, which doesn't apply to EU and EEA nationals at present because the UK is still part of a multinational agreement.
Yes, and that should never have been the case to begin with. It can't end soon enough.
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