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Old Feb 1st 2020, 12:57 am
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
Well if you want a reply on this thread.---Just a few seconds found this link regarding Post Brexit trade.

https://www.thehindubusinessline.com...le30690186.ece

The "fantasy" is just your view.
Then by all means get real. Look at the trade and payment statistics where they stand, and what India imports, and present even the remotest plausible scenario where the current negative balance of payments and trade figures will be made up from. Silly newspaper articles show nothing. The UK isn't about to increase substantially the export of the two main items of India's imports, oil and gold. By this sort of drivel the logic is if the UK exports twice as much that is great news but ignores if the result is India exports 4 times as much. Only politicians and Brexiters have that sort of logic. Or are you expecting a massive increase in oil and gold exports from the UK to India ?

Reports indicate a US-UK trade deal has a lot of potential issues but who knows what outcome might be.

And no matter what final deal is struck with EU surely it can't be better than what Uk already has.

And advanced countries trading with China since it entered the WTO, well we have seen the effect o f that.

Sure some trade deals may show promise perhaps related to agriculture,, or countries for which Uk has a definitive competitive advantage etc. But nonsense that because a country has a large economy means automatically trade relations will be necessarily a net benefit has been shown not to be necessarily the case in the case of China and its trade partners.

Yes I consider fantasy as well as irresponsible to claim UK future trade deals will be or have a probability of being a net benefit to the UK over current arrangements.

You brought issue up originally I just responded.

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Old Feb 1st 2020, 1:46 am
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Well, it's now Feb 1st in the UK, and we're now post-Brexit. So what has changed in respect of the UK's immigration rules?

Absolutely nothing, that's what.
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Old Feb 1st 2020, 2:49 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
It's not a windup, DG. I know you feel it's brutal, but if you don't like how you're perceived, then don't behave that way. You have quite a bit of catching up to do, so don't expect miracles.

causing trouble again?

please give it a rest, or you will be taking a permanent one.
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Old Feb 1st 2020, 7:08 am
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
And that's great, I'm happy for you as I'm sure most folks on here are. What's not OK is when you come on here belittling the country of our collective birth and attempting to push your values onto others.

I've never seen La Mancha or most other members on here suggest that the EU is an impoverished hell hole. They just don't want Britain to be a state under a Federalist European government, that's all.
Oh, you've missed it? Manch has for years been posting his expert knowledge of the corrupt, impoverished crime ridden neo Nazis hellhole I live in. Of course, nobody around here has ever seen anything like that, but apparently it's a secret. Like so many things he knows for sure.

By the way, In all the time you've been posting here, I don't remember you ever even mentioning the "Federalist European Government" as an excuse for Brexit. Mostly you've referred to the immigration excuse, IIRC.
​​​​​Besides, the UK had an opt-out from the "Federalist European Government", so it wasn't a "threat" anyway (not that it would be).

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Old Feb 1st 2020, 8:28 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
Well, it's now Feb 1st in the UK, and we're now post-Brexit. So what has changed in respect of the UK's immigration rules?

Absolutely nothing, that's what.
That's quite a petty and unnecessary post, Dave. If the UK had left with no transition arrangements you'd have been complaining even more. Let's have a bit more pragmatism and less petulance; you're much better than this.
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Old Feb 1st 2020, 8:56 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
And when did the EU become a Federalist European government?
When they introduced a single currency or maybe when they eradicated internal borders and created a single (if not slightly crap) external border protection force?

Of course the UK had an exemption from participation in such things but was that realistically sustainable for the next 100 years or more considering how fervently the EU was pushing for closer integration and how reluctant the British were towards it?
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Originally Posted by morpeth View Post
Then by all means get real. Look at the trade and payment statistics where they stand, and what India imports, and present even the remotest plausible scenario where the current negative balance of payments and trade figures will be made up from. 1) Silly newspaper articles show nothing. The UK isn't about to increase substantially the export of the two main items of India's imports, oil and gold. By this sort of drivel the logic is if the UK exports twice as much that is great news but ignores if the result is India exports 4 times as much. Only politicians and Brexiters have that sort of logic. Or are you expecting a massive increase in oil and gold exports from the UK to India ?

Reports indicate a US-UK trade deal has a lot of potential issues but who knows what outcome might be.

And no matter what final deal is struck with EU surely it can't be better than what Uk already has.

And advanced countries trading with China since it entered the WTO, well we have seen the effect o f that.

Sure some trade deals may show promise perhaps related to agriculture,, or countries for which Uk has a definitive competitive advantage etc. But nonsense that because a country has a large economy means automatically trade relations will be necessarily a net benefit has been shown not to be necessarily the case in the case of China and its trade partners.

2)Yes I consider fantasy as well as irresponsible to claim UK future trade deals will be or have a probability of being a net benefit to the UK over current arrangements.

You brought issue up originally I just responded.
1) "Silly newspaper articles"----who is being 'silly' ----Catherine Mcguinness---City of London Corporation or 'Morpeth'??

2) Future trade deals will happen ----regardless of your dislike of a change from "current arrangements" .

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Old Feb 1st 2020, 9:22 am
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Originally Posted by DaveLovesDee View Post
And when did the EU become a Federalist European government?

If it hasn't, how does it become one without the unanimous agreement of the heads of government of each of it's member states? Surely the UK's veto as a member would have been enough to stop such things from having to be voted on by the EU Parliament, who would also have to have passed for a Federal European government to come to pass.

I guess I'm not as au fait with EU procedures as those other members..... Or maybe I am, and they were already not-living under what they were told to fear.
It has always been the aim of many EU leaders including Ursula von der Leyen.
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Originally Posted by materialcontroller View Post
That's quite a petty and unnecessary post, Dave. If the UK had left with no transition arrangements you'd have been complaining even more. Let's have a bit more pragmatism and less petulance; you're much better than this.
Agree----I usually find DLD's posts sensible even if I disagree with them!!
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Agree----I usually find DLD's posts sensible even if I disagree with them!!
Exactly. You don't see Dave sniping too often.
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Old Feb 1st 2020, 12:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Bipat View Post
1) "Silly newspaper articles"----who is being 'silly' ----Catherine Mcguinness---City of London Corporation or 'Morpeth'??

2) Future trade deals will happen ----regardless of your dislike of a change from "current arrangements" .
You seem to not grasp the issue- to put out the idea that trade deals will necessarily be a net short or long term benefit to the UK above current requirements requires at least a cursory knowledge of current trading and payment relations, some evidence or probability or logic why trade agreements could be beneficial, and a general familiarity with the pitfalls of trade agreements in the past. I just gave one example that no one seriously believes the UK will have a massive increase in exports of Gold and Oil to India which are their principal imports. All reports indicate it is problematic that necessarily a US-UK deal will be a net long term benefit to the UK. Certainly problematic how EU-UK future trade agreements will offer more free trade than now. And clearly experience with China shows how this idea of a "huge market" leads to beneficial trade with China is questionable. Like China, India has has large economies of scale, as well as trade and investment restrictions, so not unreasonable to assume as with competition from China. for some UK manufacturers in long run trade with India may prove a net negative. Sure trade agreements with smaller economies may be a benefit, or some industries or sectors, but overall little indication probability of a net benefit to the UK. A complex issue to be sure but fantasy to claim there is a high degree of probability that the sum of all potential trade deals will necessarily be a net benefit.

Also in reference to silly articles- what else would you expect from a PR or political angle some government bureaucrat or pro-Brexit politician to say ? Or organization that directly or indirectly needs the goodwill of government ? Same drivel posted about NAFTA and China's entry to the WTO, and we see the results.And then does anyone expect the EU to sit on their hands in trade competition or negotiations ?
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Originally Posted by DigitalGhost View Post
When they introduced a single currency or maybe when they eradicated internal borders and created a single (if not slightly crap) external border protection force?

Of course the UK had an exemption from participation in such things but was that realistically sustainable for the next 100 years or more considering how fervently the EU was pushing for closer integration and how reluctant the British were towards it?
There is no reason why GB couldn't have negotiated another special deal for herself.
There was no requirement to agree to a regulation you don't want. However, it is pointless to agree and to complain afterwards. I don't point fingers at UK only, all others are the same.

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There is no reason why GB couldn't have negotiated another special deal for herself.
I think Cameron tried before the referendum and failed miserably.

What happened last night was inevitable though. You didn't really see the leaders of Holland or Germany rolling into Brussels followed by a press junket every few years demanding a renegotiation in their relationship with Europe. Those countries just accepted Europe as being their future and either out of complacency or loyalty to a collective cause took the rough as being a path to the smooth.

We never really belonged in that organisation and arguably shouldn't have joined in the first place. Culturally we're closer to the likes of Australia and Canada than we are to Europe and that wasn't going to change regardless of how hard the EU pushed for closer fiscal and cultural integration.
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I think Cameron tried before the referendum and failed miserably.

What happened last night was inevitable though. You didn't really see the leaders of Holland or Germany rolling into Brussels followed by a press junket every few years demanding a renegotiation in their relationship with Europe. Those countries just accepted Europe as being their future and either out of complacency or loyalty to a collective cause took the rough as being a path to the smooth.

We never really belonged in that organisation and arguably shouldn't have joined in the first place. Culturally we're closer to the likes of Australia and Canada than we are to Europe and that wasn't going to change regardless of how hard the EU pushed for closer fiscal and cultural integration.
India, DG, India - clearly you've not been paying attention!
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