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Old Dec 10th 2019, 10:22 am
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Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 View Post
Post Brexit you pick high skill Eastern Europeans.
Indeed
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Old Dec 10th 2019, 11:35 am
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Are the eastern Europeans overly religious?
Bosniens are. Apparently, Saudi invests heavily in mosques.
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Old Dec 10th 2019, 5:28 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
The UK's population has surged by several million over the past 20 years, it's countries like Germany that have "stagnated".

The UK is much more multicultural than most EU countries, it is also more welcoming than most.

People in Calais often aren't refugees coming from Syria etc, they are economic migrants (predominantly young men) from Africa.

It is true that the elites - both political and economic - don't want to reduce persistent high net immigration - they benefit from it and it flatters GDP (but not most other measures).
The US, too, has had a population increase of nearly twice the size of the UK's entire population in the same period that the UK has been an EU member. So have most other western nations. Even Asian nations.

But they're not EU members, so I wonder how that happened? In any case, they can't leave the EU, so I guess they're stuck with it.

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Old Dec 10th 2019, 7:25 pm
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I can't see that it will be much different from the present day Tier2 and Tier 5 work visas; except that there will be more of them and more categories.
Required salaries would need to be appropriate and not too high. Dependents financial requirements also realistic and also not too high.
Not sure why we need to change to a 'new' Australian-style points system when the government could have do so for non-EU nationals at any point in the last 9.5 years, especially in 2012 when the UK domestic immigration rules were changed regarding non-EU spouses of British nationals, including an income requirement. But the current Tier 2 and Tier 5 categories, extended to include EU nationals post-Brexit, would be easier to continue with instead of wholesale changes to UK immigration rules.

What is an appropriate salary for a doctor in the UK? Regional variations in pay mean a doctor in London and the South East will be more likely to meet or exceed a salary threshold than one in Truro, Holyhead, Belfast or Inverness, yet it's these latter places that struggle to recruit doctors and other NHS staff.

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Fine, if you're a doctor, as I think you said your family had a number of. The caller was talking about his experience in the US, as a coder I think, something private sector, where he was very aware that his work permit was tied to a company, and therefore he was very aware he had to follow company demands or potentially lose his status. He wasn't able to easily switch employers as someone European can do now.
Doctors and nurses are exempt from the cap on Tier 2 visa cap, so there's no limit to the number of those that can be brought in. I'm sure that if the media shout loud enough, as they did with doctors and nurses, the government would consider exempting more occupations. Whatever the government chooses to do, I'll guarantee they'll be unlikely to take responsibility if it goes wrong.

Originally Posted by Expatrick View Post
Except Boris has stated "only the brightest and the best" - without specifying any category. Perhaps there will be a marked improvement in the quality of Uber drivers!
To get a marked improvement in quality of any drivers, the UK's system of qualifying drivers needs to change to include more road testing over a longer period of time, like a graduated licensing system. Also, to require anyone exchanging a foreign driving licence to have to pass a UK driving test within a specified period.
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Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 View Post
Post Brexit you pick high skill Eastern Europeans.
Except it should be noted they will have to go through the visa process so if needed urgently companies will have to wait. Kind of bizarre for an advanced nation in the 21st century to make it more difficult to bring in highly-skilled workers. from the EU.

Restrictions and delays in permits plus costs imposed on home building won't go away, those who prefer to live off benefits and money on the side will hardly rush to work for maybe a few pounds per hour more. Will be interesting what Brexiters complain about in years to come.
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Except it should be noted they will have to go through the visa process so if needed urgently companies will have to wait. Kind of bizarre for an advanced nation in the 21st century to make it more difficult to bring in highly-skilled workers. from the EU.

Restrictions and delays in permits plus costs imposed on home building won't go away, those who prefer to live off benefits and money on the side will hardly rush to work for maybe a few pounds per hour more. Will be interesting what Brexiters complain about in years to come.
Far from being bizarre, is it not actually the case that most advanced nations require some kind of proof of extraordinary or in-demand skills before allowing foreigners to immigrate? The EU model of simply allowing foreigners largely unimpeded access to whichever territory they fancy, is the exception rather than the rule.
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Except of course, for most any other "nation" that started as an "agreement". Like the UK for example.

Yet while the EU is becoming increasingly united, the UK faces the most likelihood of breakup in its history. But that's just fine by England, because "they need us more than we need them" (despite all evidence to the contrary).

Funny how all those delusional predictions work out, eh?

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Old Jan 14th 2020, 9:08 pm
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Except of course, for most any other "nation" that started as an "agreement". Like the UK for example.

Yet while the EU is becoming increasingly united, the UK faces the most likelihood of breakup in its history. But that's just fine by England, because "they need us more than we need them" (despite all evidence to the contrary).

Funny how all those delusional predictions work out, eh?
Increasingly united?? Poland and Hungary rebelling over immigration.
Macron causing controversy over opposition of Albania and North Macedonia joining.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-...-united-front/

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Increasingly united?? Poland and Hungary rebelling over immigration.
Macron causing controversy over opposition of Albania and North Macedonia joining.

https://www.euractiv.com/section/eu-...-united-front/
Not really very recent news. Don't overlook that in the end the 27 will gang up against Britain. Remember when Cameron brought in a new idea, nobody supported him yet many members e.g. Austria wanted the same change. Now Austria is going ahead with not paying Austrian rates for kids who aren't with their parent in Austria, restricting benefits.
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Interesting to see that the ‘Brit Expats’ who migrated to other countries for ‘economic opportunities’ are being critical of others coming to the country they left behind.

Xenophobes criticising the other migrants choice not. to give up their cultures and religions after moving to the UK, need to take a proper look at themselves.

irony died a thousand deaths here.
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Not really very recent news. Don't overlook that in the end the 27 will gang up against Britain. Remember when Cameron brought in a new idea, nobody supported him yet many members e.g. Austria wanted the same change. Now Austria is going ahead with not paying Austrian rates for kids who aren't with their parent in Austria, restricting benefits.
Remember the good old days of the imminent collapse of the EU "any day now"? That the EU is a fantasy that will inevitably die?

Funny, that's what they're saying about "Britain" now.

It’s time to let the fantasy of the “British nation” die.

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Far from being bizarre, is it not actually the case that most advanced nations require some kind of proof of extraordinary or in-demand skills before allowing foreigners to immigrate? The EU model of simply allowing foreigners largely unimpeded access to whichever territory they fancy, is the exception rather than the rule.
Then please do explain to me for a 21st century first world economy how it is a benefit to make more cumbersome and costly to bring in highly skilled workers from Europe ?The UK has always had within its own power regulations to bring in highly-skilled workers from non-EU countries.

As far as lower skilled workers from EU I think at the least debatable whether restricting the current FOM and supposed benefits of doing so outweigh the negatives of making it more cumbersome to bring in EU highly skilled workers, and other potential negatives such as fantasy trade deals under the premise that such trade deals will necessarily be positive overall for the UK.

If restricting FOM from Europe has the supposed benefits of raising real wages for lesser skilled occupations, than does assume increased wages for baristas or strawberry pickers will be enough to get many to leave living off benefits and money on the side. I do not know how one would quantify those who would just as much prefer to live off benefits, but I suspect not a small number in many parts of the country.

Pressures on housing supply and demand might be better addressed by considering the costs and challenges of getting approvals for building, but of course it will be fascinating to watch over the next 5 to 10 years the trends- I would guess the supposed benefit from Brexit if it does result, may not be that significant. Of course for Brits who currently live in EU who may return, or those who would have considered residing in EU without Brexit, that will partially offset the supposed significant reduction of pressures on government services.

Heard one government official discussing on BBC that overall targets for net immigration would if anything be lowered post-Brexit . Who knows but the attractiveness of UK for EU skilled workers, and overall ability to get highly-skilled workers, from EU or elsewhere I would guess will be reduced under a government dominated by Brexiters. .
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Then please do explain to me for a 21st century first world economy how it is a benefit to make more cumbersome and costly to bring in highly skilled workers from Europe ? 1)The UK has always had within its own power regulations to bring in highly-skilled workers from non-EU countries.

As far as lower skilled workers from EU I think at the least debatable whether restricting the current FOM and supposed benefits of doing so outweigh the negatives of making it more cumbersome to bring in EU highly skilled workers, and other potential negatives such as fantasy trade deals under the premise that such trade deals will necessarily be positive overall for the UK.

If restricting FOM from Europe has the supposed benefits of raising real wages for lesser skilled occupations, than does assume increased wages for baristas or strawberry pickers will be enough to get many to leave living off benefits and money on the side.2) I do not know how one would quantify those who would just as much prefer to live off benefits, but I suspect not a small number in many parts of the country.

Pressures on housing supply and demand might be better addressed by considering the costs and challenges of getting approvals for building, but of course it will be fascinating to watch over the next 5 to 10 years the trends- I would guess the supposed benefit from Brexit if it does result, may not be that significant. Of course for Brits who currently live in EU who may return, or those who would have considered residing in EU without Brexit, that will partially offset the supposed significant reduction of pressures on government services.

Heard one government official discussing on BBC that overall targets for net immigration would if anything be lowered post-Brexit . Who knows but the attractiveness of UK for EU skilled workers, and overall ability to get highly-skilled workers, from EU or elsewhere I would guess will be reduced under a government dominated by Brexiters. .
1) Then it will use the same "own power" to bring in 'high skilled workers from EU countries.

2) You seem to have a poor opinion of your fellow 'lesser skilled' British citizens -----(from your previous posts you seem obsessed with strawberry pickers!! Most strawberries in UK seem to be grown under glass nowadays).

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Except it should be noted they will have to go through the visa process so if needed urgently companies will have to wait. Kind of bizarre for an advanced nation in the 21st century to make it more difficult to bring in highly-skilled workers. from the EU.

Restrictions and delays in permits plus costs imposed on home building won't go away, those who prefer to live off benefits and money on the side will hardly rush to work for maybe a few pounds per hour more. Will be interesting what Brexiters complain about in years to come.
It's ok, the massive increase in non EU migration (+ 43% in 2018) with make up any shortfall.
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It's ok, the massive increase in non EU migration (+ 43% in 2018) with make up any shortfall.
At least non-EU immigrants have to go through a process to come here, instead of just walking in as of "right".
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