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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 11:14 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
I do facts and data.
And ignore the ones you don't like, continuing to repeat demonstrable falsehoods.

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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 11:43 pm
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So, to sum up:
Most people are not getting the full benefits for different reasons. Cape likes to repeat the nonsense that they are, it's just that they had some of it early and are paying it back. @ Cape do you realise that advance was used for a period they were in need and that period has now passed and now they are receiving less than what would be normal amounts?

Remember that this is most of them. The majority. Official figures. It's not something you can dismiss as 'the guardian' view of things, it's the truth.
A separate freedom of information request shows that universal credit claimants who are having their benefits deducted to repay debts and loans owe an average of £903. About 570,000 households owe more than £1,000, including 80,000 people owing more than £5,000.
They've already reduced the deductions rate because it was too high.

Official figures are also showing the rent shortfall, as I posted earlier, an average £113 a month that has to come out of benefits for food. Much higher - £211 in London.

Now imagine, if you can, that you are someone in both groups. Not just someone with less than is usual to live on currently, but you're also having to meet your rent shortfall by taking still more from an already lower rate.

Now add in that even the full benefit rate in relation to earnings is the lowest right now that it's ever been.

The ASA has ruled that the ads on benefits are misleading. Not telling the truth.

And you continue to say that increasing food bank use is nothing to do with all this.
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Old Dec 4th 2019, 12:27 am
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Originally Posted by mikelinc
It was the Tories who introduced the wonderful Universal credit, a system that was supposed to be trialed in a couple of areas, then rolled out over the UK, it was so poorly crafted they had to halt the roll out, then try again, anf halt it again, and with the fact that 75% of appeals are upheld, it obviously isn't working even now, or that the way it is implemented is so bad, perhaps because they use untrained assessors. What people like you fail to understand is that thesepeople having to appeal have no income until the appeal is heard, then when they do win this wonderful sysem takes between 5 and 7 weks to get them their first payment, and yes they can get a loan to cover that time, but that has to be repaid over a very short time. Be 5 minutes late for an appointment, you get sanctioned, usually £100 a week for 4 or 5 weeks, same sanction if you fail to pick up the phone when they do a telephone appointment, no matter that the person is disabled and can't just run to the phone. Johnson and some of his cronies are on record as saying, poor people have only themselves to blame.


And many of the people affected by this system blame the EU and will vote for him next week.
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
I gave you robust data on zero hours contracts and benefits to contradict your unfounded assertions and your reply is that "that's theoretical" and "probably" this and that.

You then run off on a rant about Borris which is zero to do with zero hours contracts and benefits, I can only assume you have realised that the facts are not on your side and have therefore ducked those issue and instead switched to a general rant to cover your tracks.
misspelled the name of your great leader.

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Old Dec 4th 2019, 2:42 am
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misspelled the name of your great leader.
Yup, that's not how you spell Putin......
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Originally Posted by Thairetired2016 View Post

And many of the people affected by this system blame the EU and will vote for him next week.
​​​​​​Oh, good. You seem to know. Perhaps you can indicate which EU law(s) force England to impose this on its population. Nobody else has ever been able to.

I'm sure our resident bremoaners would love to know, so they wouldn't have to go to all the trouble of spinning figures selectively in order to fabricate their arguments. If they knew what EU law forces England to impose these hardships, then their job would be a lot easier. Just point to that and be done with it. Simples.

So, which EU law forces England to impose all these hardships on its population?

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After a five day weekend thanks to a lovely public holiday, I come back to this thread and we're no further along the road are we?

Only we are....my postal voting form arrived at Mummy's yesterday.

Decisions, decisions.
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
​​​​​​Oh, good. You seem to know. Perhaps you can indicate which EU law(s) force England to impose this on its population. Nobody else has ever been able to.

I'm sure our resident bremoaners would love to know, so they wouldn't have to go to all the trouble of spinning figures selectively in order to fabricate their arguments. If they knew what EU law forces England to impose these hardships, then their job would be a lot easier. Just point to that and be done with it. Simples.

So, which EU law forces England to impose all these hardships on its population?
Pls tell me where I said the "EU imposes all these hardships" ?


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You didn't. Never. But you seem to know a bit more about how it relates to the EU. Nobody else seems to know. I've been asking for a few years so far. Nobody has ever been able to say.
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Old Dec 4th 2019, 7:04 am
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
You didn't. Never. But you seem to know a bit more about how it relates to the EU. Nobody else seems to know. I've been asking for a few years so far. Nobody has ever been able to say.
I just listen to what people have to say. Their reasons for voting "out" puzzle me. But people believe what they want to believe.
"Retail crisis hitting Walsall is mirrored across the UK" (Dec 3, Bangkok Post)
68 % in Walsall voted "leave" because they "feel overlooked and left behind".
How do "leave" and "feel overlooked..by Britain" tie up?
Why do Brits who have been living overseas for years go home for the referendum so they can vote "leave"?
Any explanation?




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It's one of the great mysteries / ironies of our time.

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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
You didn't. Never. But you seem to know a bit more about how it relates to the EU. Nobody else seems to know. I've been asking for a few years so far. Nobody has ever been able to say.
Can't speak for Thairetired but I don't think they meant that the people who voted thus were right to do so - merely that that's what they did.
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Can't speak for Thairetired but I don't think they meant that the people who voted thus were right to do so - merely that that's what they did.
​​​​​​​..... On the basis, that they were given a vote in such a significant decision, of course, in a so-called democratic system
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Can't speak for Thairetired but I don't think they meant that the people who voted thus were right to do so - merely that that's what they did.
You hit the nail on the head.
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Old Dec 4th 2019, 8:19 am
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Can't speak for Thairetired but I don't think they meant that the people who voted thus were right to do so - merely that that's what they did.
It's been elusive. There's all this debate about the problems in the UK, in Brexit threads, and apparently to illustrate why Brexit is good. Topics ranging from healthcare, to animal welfare, and especially immigration.

But when asked what EU law or even membership of the EU is cause for whatever you're unhappy with, there's rarely any answer, and even if there is, it's ​​​​​​yet another long debunked daily tabloid narrative.

People seem to think I'm being extreme when I say the motivations for Brexit have little to do with the EU. But it's actually the hard, cold truth. It's very difficult to show how EU membership has any significant involvement in almost any reason for Brexit, without parroting a debunked tabloid headline, or resorting to gross exaggeration.


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