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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 8:55 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
The thing is, you guys do rant and anecdote, I do facts and data.
Don't forget wank words and spelling mistakes.
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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 8:56 pm
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Don't forget wank words and spelling mistakes.
Indeed - you guys do a lot of that as well.
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The thing is, you guys do rant and anecdote, I do facts and data.
Yay - give us a graph Capey!
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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 9:09 pm
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Yay - give us a graph Capey!
I just gave data supported by links on this issue, perhaps you should try reading and understanding them.
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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 9:14 pm
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Indeed - you guys do a lot of that as well.
I prefer to zip in, annoy people and leave.
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Projection.
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing View Post
I prefer to zip in, annoy people and leave.

Speaking of zipping in and annoying people, apparently Boris sent his girlfriend to campaign for him in Portsmouth
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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 9:33 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Speaking of zipping in and annoying people, apparently Boris sent his girlfriend to campaign for him in Portsmouth
He must be scared of sailors.
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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 9:34 pm
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Originally Posted by Cape Blue View Post
Here is one of the benefits calculators that the Government website links-to. Have a go at it - perhaps be a parent on min wage with young kids being looked-after by the other parent and with an £800 pcm rent - see how much money in in-work bennies people get.
https://www.entitledto.co.uk/

I think one needs to look at zero hours in reality, not in Guardian-world.

That's the theoretical 'entitled to' not the in reality given by a Tory driven, austerity making DWP. Probably the majority who do that calculation find they aren't being paid the correct amount, but they have to go through appeals to get anywhere, and the DWP do their utmost to stop them getting them, There are about 3 million people, in work but living below the poverty line. Don't forget the UN inspectors berated the UK government in an official report for allowing so many people to live in poverty. I understand that Mr Johnson is your blue eyed boy and that he cacn obviously do nothing wrong, well apart from refusing the release a report on Russian involvement in the Tory party and their influencing elections and the referendum, Giving hundreds of thousnad of pounds to a woma he had a one night stand with, then giving her a big contract, and taking her off on working holidays, well he had the holiday, she presumably had to do all the work. He allowed a minister to give a £13 million contract to a shipping company that had no ships, arranged for the production of millions of 50p pieces with a Brexit date of 31st October on, which had to be melted down at a cost of several millions, he managed to go, as foreign sec to Iran to help free Mrs Ratcliffe, and managed to get her sentence increased. The Intelligence people in the UK banned him from seeing sensitive documents whjile he was Foreign Sec. as they felt he was a security risk. Your user name shows you are a Tory, and unfortunately are a very blinkered one, for you Johnson can do no wrong, the Tory party can do no wrong, and whatever happens to those people unfortunate enough to be born missing the silver spoon have only themselves to blame.
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Originally Posted by SultanOfSwing View Post
He must be scared of sailors.
That, or she doesn't trust him around a lot of young women in their late teens and early twenties (student crowd).
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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 9:41 pm
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That's the theoretical 'entitled to' not the in reality given by a Tory driven, austerity making DWP. Probably the majority who do that calculation find they aren't being paid the correct amount, but they have to go through appeals to get anywhere, and the DWP do their utmost to stop them getting them, There are about 3 million people, in work but living below the poverty line. Don't forget the UN inspectors berated the UK government in an official report for allowing so many people to live in poverty. I understand that Mr Johnson is your blue eyed boy and that he cacn obviously do nothing wrong, well apart from refusing the release a report on Russian involvement in the Tory party and their influencing elections and the referendum, Giving hundreds of thousnad of pounds to a woma he had a one night stand with, then giving her a big contract, and taking her off on working holidays, well he had the holiday, she presumably had to do all the work. He allowed a minister to give a £13 million contract to a shipping company that had no ships, arranged for the production of millions of 50p pieces with a Brexit date of 31st October on, which had to be melted down at a cost of several millions, he managed to go, as foreign sec to Iran to help free Mrs Ratcliffe, and managed to get her sentence increased. The Intelligence people in the UK banned him from seeing sensitive documents whjile he was Foreign Sec. as they felt he was a security risk. Your user name shows you are a Tory, and unfortunately are a very blinkered one, for you Johnson can do no wrong, the Tory party can do no wrong, and whatever happens to those people unfortunate enough to be born missing the silver spoon have only themselves to blame.
I gave you robust data on zero hours contracts and benefits to contradict your unfounded assertions and your reply is that "that's theoretical" and "probably" this and that.

You then run off on a rant about Borris which is zero to do with zero hours contracts and benefits, I can only assume you have realised that the facts are not on your side and have therefore ducked those issue and instead switched to a general rant to cover your tracks.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
That, or she doesn't trust him around a lot of young women in their late teens and early twenties (student crowd).
I don't think she'd have anything to worry about there.

Unless, of course ... ? No, a Tory would never do that.
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I don't think she'd have anything to worry about there.

Unless, of course ... ? No, a Tory would never do that.
Prince Andrew's not working for them, is he?
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Old Dec 3rd 2019, 9:51 pm
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Prince Andrew's not working for them, is he?
He's a royal, he doesn't work full stop.
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I gave you robust data on zero hours contracts and benefits to contradict your unfounded assertions and your reply is that "that's theoretical" and "probably" this and that.

You then run off on a rant about Borris which is zero to do with zero hours contracts and benefits, I can only assume you have realised that the facts are not on your side and have therefore ducked those issue and instead switched to a general rant to cover your tracks.
It was the Tories who introduced the wonderful Universal credit, a system that was supposed to be trialed in a couple of areas, then rolled out over the UK, it was so poorly crafted they had to halt the roll out, then try again, anf halt it again, and with the fact that 75% of appeals are upheld, it obviously isn't working even now, or that the way it is implemented is so bad, perhaps because they use untrained assessors. What people like you fail to understand is that thesepeople having to appeal have no income until the appeal is heard, then when they do win this wonderful sysem takes between 5 and 7 weks to get them their first payment, and yes they can get a loan to cover that time, but that has to be repaid over a very short time. Be 5 minutes late for an appointment, you get sanctioned, usually £100 a week for 4 or 5 weeks, same sanction if you fail to pick up the phone when they do a telephone appointment, no matter that the person is disabled and can't just run to the phone. Johnson and some of his cronies are on record as saying, poor people have only themselves to blame.
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