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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:12 pm
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Ahh, so cliff dive it is. Not even by accident. Bloody remainiacs. They're to blame for Brexit. If it weren't for them, Brexit would be the dog's bollocks. But now the chances of actually leaving just got higher. How undemocratic. Bloody petulant lower order ad-hom remainiacs.
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:13 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
That doesn't follow at all. Basic logic error.

Also, your "remaniac elites" just voted down the motion to block a crash out.
​Basic logic error - voters choose to leave the EU while MP's look at that outcome and then attempt to implement a course of action that involves several areas of UK national interest remaining under EU governance.

Not really leaving then, is it?
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:16 pm
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Correction: the EU doesn't and has never governed the UK or any other member state, despite your desire to cling to that wholly debunked and misguided notion.

But yes, leaving actually does mean leaving, and there is no cake, so leave already. Or is there a "problem"?

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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:19 pm
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​Basic logic error - voters choose to leave the EU while MP's look at that outcome and then attempt to implement a course of action that involves several areas of UK national interest remaining under EU governance.

Not really leaving then, is it?
So only one way of leaving suits you?

If you persist in defining international agreements as some country or group of countries having control over some other country then no wonder Parliament is deadlocked, not to mention the rest of the country. International relations are going to get a bit sticky, aren't they.
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:21 pm
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Javid just compared himself to Disraeli
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:25 pm
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Originally Posted by amideislas View Post
Correction: the EU doesn't and has never governed the UK or any other member state.

But yes, leaving actually does mean leaving, and there is no cake, so leave already. Or is there a "problem"?
No problem for me. Seems it's a problem for our gutless MP's though.

The EU does govern aspects of member states affairs, and exercises competence in quite a number of areas. You're just on another wind up mission by suggesting that because member states have agreed to give the EU those powers, it doesn't *really* constitute governance.
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​Basic logic error - voters choose to leave the EU while MP's look at that outcome and then attempt to implement a course of action that involves several areas of UK national interest remaining under EU governance.

Not really leaving then, is it?
Never let anyone say that Brexiters live in a fantasy land.
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:27 pm
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So only one way of leaving suits you?

If you persist in defining international agreements as some country or group of countries having control over some other country then no wonder Parliament is deadlocked, not to mention the rest of the country. International relations are going to get a bit sticky, aren't they.
Well, there was only one version of leave on the ballot paper.
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So only one way of leaving suits you?

If you persist in defining international agreements as some country or group of countries having control over some other country then no wonder Parliament is deadlocked, not to mention the rest of the country. International relations are going to get a bit sticky, aren't they.
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No problem for me. Seems it's a problem for our gutless MP's though.

The EU does govern aspects of member states affairs, and exercises competence in quite a number of areas. You're just on another wind up mission by suggesting that because member states have agreed to give the EU those powers, it doesn't *really* constitute governance.

See above.

Our "gutless MPs" just voted to not block a crash out, btw.
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Well, there was only one version of leave on the ballot paper.
What version was that?
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:29 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
See above.

Our "gutless MPs" just voted to not block a crash out, btw.
Today's vote is just another sideshow. There'll be plenty more attempts to stymie the process in the coming months.
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:31 pm
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
What version was that?
Leave, with everything that that entails.
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:32 pm
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Leave, with everything that that entails.
And what does it entail?

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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:33 pm
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Today's vote is just another sideshow. There'll be plenty more attempts to stymie the process in the coming months.
There's a process?

Where's that then? Three years in we can't even work that out, although we have spent vast sums of money hiring consultants to help us.
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Old Jun 12th 2019, 4:34 pm
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And what does it entail?
Leaving everything to do with the EU.
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