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Old Jan 18th 2020, 4:35 pm
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This basically. [Verhofstadt] could have even said, the UK is obviously welcome to reapply post-Brexit and that the EU would be open to discussing it but unfortunately he didn't say anything like that.
Verhofstadt, who is Parliament's Brexit negotiator, also said that the UK is welcome to apply to re-join the EU.
In an interview at the weekend, Verhofstadt said that EU would fast-track Britain's application if the country decides to re-apply for entry.
"That is always possible," he said. "They can always reintroduce a request for membership of the European Union. Certainly, we have enough experience to make it a little bit a faster process than what is normal."


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​​​​​"The Parliament Magazine"? a totally biased remainiac publication. Surely they made that up.

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Verhofstadt, who is Parliament's Brexit negotiator, also said that the UK is welcome to apply to re-join the EU.
In an interview at the weekend, Verhofstadt said that EU would fast-track Britain's application if the country decides to re-apply for entry.
"That is always possible," he said. "They can always reintroduce a request for membership of the European Union. Certainly, we have enough experience to make it a little bit a faster process than what is normal."


www.theparliamentmagazine.eu/articles/news/verhofstadt-no-special-treatment-uk-brexit
Well of course. The EU is basically scraping the barrel for new members at this point. Unless the doomsayers do somehow get their way and the UK ends up looking like a dark, cold and rainy rendition of Venezuela in 10 years from now, they would be going through accession with a highly developed and wealthy first world nation with a respected passport and criminal justice system. The UK is a far cry away from the other nations currently on the EU's accession road map.
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It's a lie. He never said anything like that.
Well, that's not what it said in the daily mail anyway.
https://www.independent.co.uk/news/u...-a9287961.html

When the comment was put to Mr Verhofstadt on BBC Radio 4’s Today programme, he replied: “I think that will happen, yeah. It’s difficult to say when actually. But there will be a young generation in the coming decades who will say ‘look what we have done’ and we want to go back. I think it will happen. Maybe I will not see it in my life, but it will happen.”
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Well of course. The EU is basically scraping the barrel for new members at this point.

​​​​​​​Did you make that up by yourself?

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We could always project that onto the front of #10, no? I mean, that's all that's needed right?
Talking of projections, I wonder if the contractors have already been selected.


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Old Jan 18th 2020, 4:49 pm
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Did you make that up by yourself?
No need Ami, look at the EU's current future list.

State Status Association
Agreement
Membership
Application Candidate
status Negotiations
start Screening
completed Chapters
[N 1][37] Obstacles Albania Candidate 2009-04-01 (SAA) 2009-04-28 2014-06-24[1] – – –Corruption, organised crime, politicisation of the judiciary.[38]
Bosnia and
Herzegovina
Applicant 2015-06-01 (SAA) 2016-02-15[39] – – – –Constitution needs significant reform, little agreement about the future of the state.[38]
Kosovo
(status disputed) Potential
candidate
2016-04-01 (SAA)[40] – – – – –Still under an EU rule-of-law assistance mission, deep political and corruption problems, status is disputed.[38]
Montenegro Candidate
negotiating
2010-05-01 (SAA) 2008-12-15 2010-12-17 2012-06-29 2013-06-27 3/32 of 33Work on bringing financial and budgetary provisions in line with the acquis is still at an early stage.[41]
North Macedonia Candidate 2004-04-01 (SAA) 2004-03-22 2005-12-17 – – –Disputes with Bulgaria, concerns about democracy and rule of law.[38]
Serbia Candidate
negotiating
2013-09-01 (SAA) 2009-12-22 2012-03-01 2014-01-21[42] 2015-03-24 2/18 of 34Ongoing dispute over Kosovo, little progress in fighting corruption.[38]
Turkey Candidate
negotiating
1964-12-01
(AA) 1987-04-14 1999-12-12 2005-10-03 2006-10-13 1/16 of 33 The Cyprus dispute, among other issues. Planned Turkish policies may violate the Copenhagen criteria of eligibility for membership. Human rights abuses have become a serious problem.[43] 14 chapters have had negotiations frozen since the late 2000s.[44] A 2018 EU statement indicates that there will be no further chapters opened in the foreseeable future.[45]
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Well of course.
Of course? It turns out he said exactly what you said he didn't say, and your response is "of course"?

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The EU is basically scraping the barrel for new members at this point. Unless the doomsayers do somehow get their way and the UK ends up looking like a dark, cold and rainy rendition of Venezuela in 10 years from now, they would be going through accession with a highly developed and wealthy first world nation with a respected passport and criminal justice system. The UK is a far cry away from the other nations currently on the EU's accession road map.
Hardly. The EU isn't a ponzi scheme requiring a constant supply of new members, and the geographical boundaries are fairly rigid. Most of the European countries not already in the EU or EEA are within the orbit of Russia, or are small countries that have carved themselves a niche outside the EU.

The EU would be a valued member of the EU, but it's become clear that the EU wants it as a member, not a pseudo-member.
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Of course? It turns out he said exactly what you said he didn't say, and your response is "of course"?



Hardly. The EU isn't a ponzi scheme requiring a constant supply of new members, and the geographical boundaries are fairly rigid. Most of the European countries not already in the EU or EEA are within the orbit of Russia, or are small countries that have carved themselves a niche outside the EU.

The EU would be a valued member of the EU, but it's become clear that the EU wants it as a member, not a pseudo-member.
Then why are they constantly trying to recruit them? It really never should have expanded beyond Western Europe.
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Then why are they constantly trying to recruit them? It really never should have expanded beyond Western Europe.
They are quite evidently not "constantly trying to recruit them". What pressure there is is coming from the candidate countries.
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They are quite evidently not "constantly trying to recruit them". What pressure there is is coming from the candidate countries.
You're missing the point, if they don't want them then why does the accession process still exist. The EU could have (and probably should have) stuck with 15 member states and called it at that, making it clear that other countries need not apply. I know they've been dangling the carrot in front of Turkey for decades but that doesn't really explain the others.
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Old Jan 18th 2020, 5:01 pm
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No need Ami, look at the EU's current future list.



https://en.wikipedia.org/wiki/Future...European_Union
Erm, these are countries aspiring (asking) to join, (for obvious reasons) not countries the EU is soliciting to join.

It's not what you don't know that bothers me. It's what you know for sure.
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Erm, these are countries aspiring (asking) to join, (for obvious reasons) not countries the EU is soliciting to join.

It's not what you don't know that bothers me. It's what you know for sure.
My bigger concern, if the UK had chosen to remain, would have been what happened to all of those Syrians and Afghans that Germany took in once Germany decides to start naturalizing them.
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You're missing the point, if they don't want them then why does the accession process still exist.
Why don't you educate yourself on the accession process and strategy yourself, rather than speculating on how it works based purely on your anti-EU bias?

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The EU could have (and probably should have) stuck with 15 member states and called it at that, making it clear that other countries need not apply.
The A8, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia were all very keen to join; it didn't take much persuasion from the EU.

Had these countries not joined the EU, they would now almost certainly be economically firmly within Russia's sphere of influence, but with substantial parts of their populations doing everything they could to move to the EU. The worst of all worlds from the EU's perspective.

It's easy to criticize ways in which integrating the A8/RO/BG/HR into the EU could have been done better, but difficult to see a better outcome than the present had they not been integrated at all.


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Why don't you educate yourself on the accession process and strategy yourself, rather than speculating on how it works based purely on your anti-EU bias?



The A8, Romania, Bulgaria and Croatia were all very keen to join; it didn't take much persuasion from the EU.

Had these countries not joined the EU, they would now almost certainly be economically firmly within Russia's sphere of influence, but with substantial parts of their populations doing everything they could to move to the EU. The worst of all worlds from the EU's perspective.

It's easy to criticize ways in which integrating the A8/RO/BG/HR into the EU could have been done better, but difficult to see a better outcome than the present had they not been integrated at all.
The "better outcome" is that Brexit could likely have been entirely avoided had those 10 countries not joined. My argument is that the doors should have been closed and the 2004 expansion really shouldn't have been allowed to happen or, at the very least, the people of the UK and elsewhere in Europe should have been given more say in the matter.
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