Lion in Winter

I understand the anger towards her. I just wish people were proportionately as angry and as keen to stop - and pressure assorted governments to stop - creating the conditions in the middle east that foment war and violent religious extremism. There are many, many 15 year olds lost to that daily, not just a British teenager and her three dead children. At this point she must be FUBAR in every sense of the expression. I don't want her in the UK, I just don't want more of her.

Lion in Winter

This is perhaps worth a read, as we think about this case and beyond, to other British people in such camps.

https://www.theguardian.com/commenti...box=1614358055

DaveLovesDee

I saw plenty of comments across many social media platforms that 'she knew what she was doing' at the time. In which case, why not lower the age of consent for sex, or to marry, or to vote, or to join the military to age 15? And no, I'm not suggesting we actually do those things, just making a comparison that in this one person's case, they are apparently capable of making such a big decision where the law and politicians claim otherwise in other areas of life.

One one such social media post, someone asked if the two kids involved in the Bulger case 'knew what they were doing' too. The answer is, I don't know, because I didn't follow the case back then.

Assanah

In Germany the age of criminal responsibility is 14. That's when the government thinks that people are old enough to understand what's right and what's wrong. I am sure that the UK sees that similarly. And what's wrong with holding people accountable? She stayed with the IS until she was an adult and she never admitted that she was wrong. So she choosing IS all over again as an adult who had actual experience of life under IS. This is her thing. Stop being so understanding. She loves IS.
Without those Begum women IS would not have been possible. If women do not work with their men large scale and massive human rights violation are not possible. Do you ever read about the Yazidi slaves? How those poor women were sold, and raped again and again. How their fathers, brothers and husbands were mudered. How old women were murdered because they were not sexy enough. Do you know that those Yazidi survivors do faint just like that suddenly without warning because they can't stand the pain? I am all for due process even forBegum and I have full confidence in the UK system that this will happen. That's all she can ask for in my view. The rest is for her to realise what she has done and to ask for forgiveness. Then we are getting somewhere.

Scamp

I blame video games.

kimilseung

Readers of this thread might be interested in this, new movie, on the festival circuit. "The Return: Life After ISIS" (I think its premier is next week at SXSW.)

kimilseung

I have a ticket for April 8 for this film.