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Old Apr 15th 2019, 3:10 pm
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
From the BBC arcile on the subject:. It all seems like a perfectly normal procedure that follows British law, and law should never be confused with a popularity contest. Nor is "due process" the same as 'judgement". Whatever one's feelings on this woman's actions, sidestepping the law on individual cases isn't a good idea at all.

.."Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the Legal Aid Agency's decision to assist Ms Begum made him "very uncomfortable".
He added, however, that the UK was "a country that believes that people with limited means should have access to the resources of the state if they want to challenge the decisions the state has made about them"...

...The legal aid that has been granted covers a case before the semi-secret Special Immigration Appeals Commission, which adjudicates on cases where the home secretary has stripped someone of their nationality on grounds of national security....

...It is not yet clear when the case will be heard but the Siac process can take years to complete - and granting of legal aid in these circumstances is not unusual.
Over the last decade or so there have been many other people stripped of nationality on the basis they are linked to terrorism who have been legally-aided during the SIAC process."




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Yes. Begum's appealing a decision made by the government and both parties must have legal representation, otherwise it would just be a farce. My hope that the government's decision is upheld doesn't affect my opinion that the decision should be properly tested against UK law.
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Old Apr 15th 2019, 3:11 pm
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… Well I can see that she is entitled to take the case through the system, how you morally justify paying her legal defence costs and not those of others dealing with the legal system is a mystery. So much for equality.

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Old Apr 15th 2019, 3:12 pm
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Her punishment should be according to her own belief systems?
What, Sharia law in the UK you mean? You'll be giving some people apoplexy with posts like that

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Well I can see that she is entitled to take the case through the system, how you morally justify paying her legal defence costs and not those of others dealing with the legal system is a mystery. So much for equality.
Indeed. if there are others who cannot pay to defend themselves properly and legal aid is not being granted, then it should be given, and now. The whole point of equality under the law is that, well, we are all equal under the law both in terms of its penalties and its protections.

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Old Apr 15th 2019, 3:13 pm
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Apparenty her parents are taking legal action - no doubt at the expense of the British taxpayer.
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I don't think the taxpayer will have to pay for her legal appeal. Although, obviously plenty of HO resource will be wasted on this silly woman.
Harrumph!
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Originally Posted by spouse of scouse View Post
Yes. Begum's appealing a decision made by the government and both parties must have legal representation, otherwise it would just be a farce. My hope that the government's decision is upheld doesn't affect my opinion that the decision should be properly tested against UK law.
Exactly. Due process is due process, otherwise it's meaningless.
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It all seems like a perfectly normal procedure that follows British law, and law should never be confused with a popularity contest.




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Not sure how to read my score.
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It doesn't work. I tried clapping and the indicator didn't move
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It doesn't work. I tried clapping and the indicator didn't move
Typical

Probably an austerity measure. I bet the elite's clapometers work
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Says another elderly Brit living in Trumps paradise..
There is nothing about rights and justice that you can teach us or pretend is better than the UK system.
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

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Typical

Probably an austerity measure. I bet the elite's clapometers work
That'd be right. Clapped out clapometers are good enough for us plebs
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Says another elderly Brit living in Trumps paradise..
There is nothing about rights and justice that you can teach us or pretend is better than the UK system.
I don't think he's that old

Also, he can fix your roof.
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Originally Posted by Lion in Winter View Post
Exactly. Due process is due process, otherwise it's meaningless.
Well we are getting ahead of ourselves she has due process for her crimes in Syria to contend with first,
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Well we are getting ahead of ourselves she has due process for her crimes in Syria to contend with first,
Well there you go then. Hang onto your stones for a bit...

If we are prosecuting for crimes in Syria, there are a few governemtal figures I would like to throw in.
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What, Sharia law in the UK you mean? ....
Isn't that what she wanted? Surely she would welcome that?
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Well there you go then. Hang onto your stones for a bit. ...
I shall work on collecting a few.
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