Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Apr 15th 2019, 3:10 pm
#931
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
From the BBC arcile on the subject:. It all seems like a perfectly normal procedure that follows British law, and law should never be confused with a popularity contest. Nor is "due process" the same as 'judgement". Whatever one's feelings on this woman's actions, sidestepping the law on individual cases isn't a good idea at all.
.."Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the Legal Aid Agency's decision to assist Ms Begum made him "very uncomfortable".
He added, however, that the UK was "a country that believes that people with limited means should have access to the resources of the state if they want to challenge the decisions the state has made about them"...
...The legal aid that has been granted covers a case before the semi-secret Special Immigration Appeals Commission, which adjudicates on cases where the home secretary has stripped someone of their nationality on grounds of national security....
...It is not yet clear when the case will be heard but the Siac process can take years to complete - and granting of legal aid in these circumstances is not unusual.
Over the last decade or so there have been many other people stripped of nationality on the basis they are linked to terrorism who have been legally-aided during the SIAC process."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47934721
.."Foreign Secretary Jeremy Hunt said the Legal Aid Agency's decision to assist Ms Begum made him "very uncomfortable".
He added, however, that the UK was "a country that believes that people with limited means should have access to the resources of the state if they want to challenge the decisions the state has made about them"...
...The legal aid that has been granted covers a case before the semi-secret Special Immigration Appeals Commission, which adjudicates on cases where the home secretary has stripped someone of their nationality on grounds of national security....
...It is not yet clear when the case will be heard but the Siac process can take years to complete - and granting of legal aid in these circumstances is not unusual.
Over the last decade or so there have been many other people stripped of nationality on the basis they are linked to terrorism who have been legally-aided during the SIAC process."
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47934721
Apr 15th 2019, 3:11 pm
#932
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Boiler
… Well I can see that she is entitled to take the case through the system, how you morally justify paying her legal defence costs and not those of others dealing with the legal system is a mystery. So much for equality.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:12 pm
#933
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Boiler
Her punishment should be according to her own belief systems?
Originally Posted by Boiler
Well I can see that she is entitled to take the case through the system, how you morally justify paying her legal defence costs and not those of others dealing with the legal system is a mystery. So much for equality.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:13 pm
#934
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Expatrick
Apparenty her parents are taking legal action - no doubt at the expense of the British taxpayer.
Originally Posted by Shard
I don't think the taxpayer will have to pay for her legal appeal. Although, obviously plenty of HO resource will be wasted on this silly woman.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:13 pm
#935
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
Yes. Begum's appealing a decision made by the government and both parties must have legal representation, otherwise it would just be a farce. My hope that the government's decision is upheld doesn't affect my opinion that the decision should be properly tested against UK law.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:19 pm
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
It all seems like a perfectly normal procedure that follows British law, and law should never be confused with a popularity contest.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:25 pm
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by spouse of scouse
It doesn't work. I tried clapping and the indicator didn't move 
Probably an austerity measure. I bet the elite's clapometers work
Apr 15th 2019, 3:25 pm
#940
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Pulaski
There is nothing about rights and justice that you can teach us or pretend is better than the UK system.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:27 pm
#941
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
Typical
Probably an austerity measure. I bet the elite's clapometers work
Probably an austerity measure. I bet the elite's clapometers work
Apr 15th 2019, 3:27 pm
#942
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by EMR
Says another elderly Brit living in Trumps paradise..
There is nothing about rights and justice that you can teach us or pretend is better than the UK system.
There is nothing about rights and justice that you can teach us or pretend is better than the UK system.
Also, he can fix your roof.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:29 pm
#943
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
Exactly. Due process is due process, otherwise it's meaningless.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:30 pm
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Boiler
Well we are getting ahead of ourselves she has due process for her crimes in Syria to contend with first,
If we are prosecuting for crimes in Syria, there are a few governemtal figures I would like to throw in.
Apr 15th 2019, 3:31 pm
#945
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Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
What, Sharia law in the UK you mean? ....
Originally Posted by Lion in Winter
Well there you go then. Hang onto your stones for a bit. ...
