Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

If you are asking whether I think the power of the state should be transparently limited by the rule of law, then the answer is yes.

Originally Posted by chawkins99

Blame multi-quote no-worky.

It wasn't specifically directed at you but at several posts that seem to hint that it was a purely political knee-jerk reaction by the home office without any in-depth investigation.

Originally Posted by BritInParis

Over 100 have already been stripped over the last few years; we’re just talking about this one.The legislation and precedent are long established.

Originally Posted by Expatrick

Javid had no choice.

Originally Posted by Giantaxe

The most interesting thing in that statute is this:

"Before making an order under this section in respect of a person the Secretary of State must give the person written notice specifying—"

According to this article the letter:

"... asks her mother to pass on details of the order to her daughter, who is currently in a Syrian refugee camp without access to a phone".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hip-be-stopped

I don't see how this is going to pass legal muster. A British official is going to have to serve her, not her mum. So something else for lawyers to latch onto.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bangladesh preemptively washing their hands of her if she doesn't currently hold a Bangladeshi passport.

Originally Posted by materialcontroller

I don't think that's clear actually. The law and judiciary are part of "the state" after all.

What it appears you mean is, you don't want politicians getting too big for their boots.

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

Well this is awkward - there is a good point here, which I also mentioned upthread.

As repugnant as this young woman's words and actions are, and as much as she in herself probably provides no value to the UK at all or anyone else very much, and as much as it's natural and understandable to want to keep her out (a feeling that I share at the personal level), I do worry about a minister, a functionary of the state, being able to remove someone's citizenship in absentia, at the stroke of a pen, no investigation and no due process at all. Just some bloke in an office.

This is not about any perceived injustice to her personally - I can't muster up any sympathy - but as a process, the ability of a government functionary to remove citizenship in this way strikes me as undesirable. I'm sure we can all imagine - and even recognize from not-too-distant history - situations where such powers have been appallingly misused.

I'll duck and cover now...

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

Yes, I remember the original citizenship-stripping thing going through 15 or so years ago. I wasn't happy then, either.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue

I think we both need a sit down and a cup of tea.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue

Yes, she has exhibited morally repugnant views. If those can be shown to break the law she should be suitably punished.

Originally Posted by Cape Blue

Well it had to happen at some point eh?

Shockingly I agree with the rest of your post as well.

I think we both need a sit down and a cup of tea.

Originally Posted by BritInParis

Neither was I and remain unhappy about it but it’s still the law.

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse

I think we all do!

Originally Posted by Lion in Winter

And a biscuit.

Something uncontroversial, like the Digestive.

Originally Posted by BritInParis

Over 100 have already been stripped over the last few years; we’re just talking about this one. The legislation and precedent are long established.