Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
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What it appears you mean is, you don't want politicians getting too big for their boots.
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Got it, no worries. The multi-quote has always been no worky for me (only because I can't be arsed learning how to do it)
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Yes, I remember the original citizenship-stripping thing going through 15 or so years ago. I wasn't happy then, either.
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Yes, politically it was his best move by far and possibly his only move. Popular support at a time when his government desperately needs it. Can you imagine the hue and cry if he had let her in. Now, if the courts do overrule him, it won't be his or his government's fault.
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The most interesting thing in that statute is this:
"Before making an order under this section in respect of a person the Secretary of State must give the person written notice specifying—"
According to this article the letter:
"... asks her mother to pass on details of the order to her daughter, who is currently in a Syrian refugee camp without access to a phone".
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hip-be-stopped
I don't see how this is going to pass legal muster. A British official is going to have to serve her, not her mum. So something else for lawyers to latch onto.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Bangladesh preemptively washing their hands of her if she doesn't currently hold a Bangladeshi passport.
"Before making an order under this section in respect of a person the Secretary of State must give the person written notice specifying—"
According to this article the letter:
"... asks her mother to pass on details of the order to her daughter, who is currently in a Syrian refugee camp without access to a phone".
https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hip-be-stopped
I don't see how this is going to pass legal muster. A British official is going to have to serve her, not her mum. So something else for lawyers to latch onto.
I wouldn't be surprised to see Bangladesh preemptively washing their hands of her if she doesn't currently hold a Bangladeshi passport.
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No, I mean the state. The courts of law are an arm of the state certainly, but established so that all are transparently governed by the same rules, equal under the law and not subject to the whims and desires of those currently in positions of power, be they politicians or bureaucrats.
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Well this is awkward - there is a good point here, which I also mentioned upthread.
As repugnant as this young woman's words and actions are, and as much as she in herself probably provides no value to the UK at all or anyone else very much, and as much as it's natural and understandable to want to keep her out (a feeling that I share at the personal level), I do worry about a minister, a functionary of the state, being able to remove someone's citizenship in absentia, at the stroke of a pen, no investigation and no due process at all. Just some bloke in an office.
This is not about any perceived injustice to her personally - I can't muster up any sympathy - but as a process, the ability of a government functionary to remove citizenship in this way strikes me as undesirable. I'm sure we can all imagine - and even recognize from not-too-distant history - situations where such powers have been appallingly misused.
I'll duck and cover now...
As repugnant as this young woman's words and actions are, and as much as she in herself probably provides no value to the UK at all or anyone else very much, and as much as it's natural and understandable to want to keep her out (a feeling that I share at the personal level), I do worry about a minister, a functionary of the state, being able to remove someone's citizenship in absentia, at the stroke of a pen, no investigation and no due process at all. Just some bloke in an office.
This is not about any perceived injustice to her personally - I can't muster up any sympathy - but as a process, the ability of a government functionary to remove citizenship in this way strikes me as undesirable. I'm sure we can all imagine - and even recognize from not-too-distant history - situations where such powers have been appallingly misused.
I'll duck and cover now...


Shockingly I agree with the rest of your post as well.
I think we both need a sit down and a cup of tea.
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And a biscuit.
Something uncontroversial, like the Digestive.
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And its not just the UK either. Very common to read of cases in the Australian news as similar laws exist over here.
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What would be interesting, now that she has time on her hands, would be some in-depth journalistic interviews into WHY she converted to Isis. What happened in her life, community between the ages 12-15 that made her feel compelled to join this Islamic struggle in a war zone. What videos did she watch? Who persuaded her? Why did she feel the need to reject Britain.