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Old Mar 18th 2019, 2:15 pm
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1 View Post
Unlike you to let something go completely over your head Next time someone mentions a couple of Islamic attacks, let's see what your response is.
They seem to be like buses.
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Old Mar 18th 2019, 4:47 pm
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Well that was quick, and apologies a train not a bus.


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Old Mar 18th 2019, 5:01 pm
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Originally Posted by stevenglish1 View Post
Unlike you to let something go completely over your head Next time someone mentions a couple of Islamic attacks, let's see what your response is.
Very simple, probably too simple for you to comprehend.
I condemn all terrorists all racists all bigots whatever their colour , race or religion., Muslim or white Christian, .
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Old Mar 18th 2019, 5:06 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Very simple, probably too simple for you to comprehend.
I condemn all terrorists all racists all bigots whatever their colour , race or religion., Muslim or white Christian, .
Even the ones who have been deradicalised, or were 15 when they started?
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Old Mar 18th 2019, 6:44 pm
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Very simple, probably too simple for you to comprehend.
I condemn all terrorists all racists all bigots whatever their colour , race or religion., Muslim or white Christian, .

Simple's about right, you just condemn the ones that suit your point at any given time.
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Old Mar 21st 2019, 8:42 pm
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Even the ones who have been deradicalised, or were 15 when they started?
Where is your evidence that she is a terrorist, or are you turning into Stalinist thought police.
If thinking evil was a crime half the world's population would be in prison .
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Originally Posted by EMR View Post
Where is your evidence that she is a terrorist, or are you turning into Stalinist thought police.
If thinking evil was a crime half the world's population would be in prison .
I believe her, what she said. What she did, who she supported.

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Old Mar 21st 2019, 10:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Boiler View Post
I believe her, what she said. What she did, who she supported.
So, you believe that she spent her time at home, looking after her children.......
As has been said already, what people think or who they support is not a crime.
If you can point to no crime that she has committed that would warrant her being labelled a danger to the UK, I think you should withdraw.
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Originally Posted by macliam View Post
So, you believe that she spent her time at home, looking after her children.......
As has been said already, what people think or who they support is not a crime.
If you can point to no crime that she has committed that would warrant her being labelled a danger to the UK, I think you should withdraw.
Covered by the Terrorism Act 2000

From Terrorism Act 2000 [26]
  • Section 11 membership of a proscribed organisation - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 12 support of a proscribed organisation - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 13: "A person in a public place commits an offence if he (a)wears an item of clothing, or (b)wears, carries or displays an article, in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation." - 6 months or a statutory fine
  • Section 15 fund raising for a proscribed organisation
  • Section 16 using money or property for terrorism
  • Section 17 funding terrorism
  • Section 18 money laundering to aid terrorism
  • Section 19 failure to disclose information - 5 years or a fine or both
  • Section 21A failure to disclose information: regulated sector - 5 years or a fine or both
  • Section 21D tipping off: regulated sector - 2 years or a fine or both
    • Section 22 penalties for an offence in sections 15 to 18 – 14 years or a fine or both
  • Section 36 disobeying a constable in a cordoned area - 3 months or a fine or both
  • Section 38B failure to disclose information about an act of terrorism - 5 years or a fine or both
  • Section 39 unauthorised disclosure of information - 5 years or a fine or both
  • Section 47 failing to stop when required by a constable - 6 months or a level 5 fine or both:Check latest amendments
  • Section 51 parking in a prohibited area - 3 months or level 4 fine or both
  • Section 54 receiving or giving weapons training for terrorism - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 56 directing terrorist organisation - life imprisonment
  • Section 57 possession for terrorist purposes - 15 years or a fine or both
  • Section 58 collection of information to aid terrorism - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 58A eliciting, publishing or communicating information about members of armed forces - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 87 preventing an examination of documents - two years or a fine or both
  • Section 103 (crown official) possessing or communicating or collecting information useful for terrorism - 10 years or a fine or both
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Old Mar 21st 2019, 11:48 pm
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

Originally Posted by Boiler View Post
Covered by the Terrorism Act 2000

From Terrorism Act 2000 [26]
  • Section 11 membership of a proscribed organisation - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 12 support of a proscribed organisation - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 13: "A person in a public place commits an offence if he (a)wears an item of clothing, or (b)wears, carries or displays an article, in such a way or in such circumstances as to arouse reasonable suspicion that he is a member or supporter of a proscribed organisation." - 6 months or a statutory fine
  • Section 15 fund raising for a proscribed organisation
  • Section 16 using money or property for terrorism
  • Section 17 funding terrorism
  • Section 18 money laundering to aid terrorism
  • Section 19 failure to disclose information - 5 years or a fine or both
  • Section 21A failure to disclose information: regulated sector - 5 years or a fine or both
  • Section 21D tipping off: regulated sector - 2 years or a fine or both
    • Section 22 penalties for an offence in sections 15 to 18 – 14 years or a fine or both
  • Section 36 disobeying a constable in a cordoned area - 3 months or a fine or both
  • Section 38B failure to disclose information about an act of terrorism - 5 years or a fine or both
  • Section 39 unauthorised disclosure of information - 5 years or a fine or both
  • Section 47 failing to stop when required by a constable - 6 months or a level 5 fine or both:Check latest amendments
  • Section 51 parking in a prohibited area - 3 months or level 4 fine or both
  • Section 54 receiving or giving weapons training for terrorism - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 56 directing terrorist organisation - life imprisonment
  • Section 57 possession for terrorist purposes - 15 years or a fine or both
  • Section 58 collection of information to aid terrorism - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 58A eliciting, publishing or communicating information about members of armed forces - 10 years or a fine or both
  • Section 87 preventing an examination of documents - two years or a fine or both
  • Section 103 (crown official) possessing or communicating or collecting information useful for terrorism - 10 years or a fine or both
So, where does it say "made stateless and left to her fate" ?????

Bring her back, put her on trial for any charges that the CPS thinks will stick, that's what I've been saying all along...........
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Old Mar 22nd 2019, 2:04 am
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Originally Posted by macliam View Post
So, where does it say "made stateless and left to her fate" ?????

Bring her back, put her on trial for any charges that the CPS thinks will stick, that's what I've been saying all along...........
You asked a question and I answered that question, she is not stateless as had been repeatedly discussed.

If she wants to visit the UK she needs to get her Passport and apply for a visa.

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Originally Posted by macliam View Post
So, where does it say "made stateless and left to her fate" ?????

Bring her back, put her on trial for any charges that the CPS thinks will stick, that's what I've been saying all along...........
I hear what you're saying, but it's just very difficult for most of us to work up even an iota of sympathy for the woman. Her baby deserved rescuing & should've been, but she herself doesn't because the most useful contribution that she can make to society at this point is to serve as a salutary example for others.

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You asked a question and I answered that question, she is not stateless as had been repeatedly discussed.

If she wants to visit the UK she needs to get her Passport and apply for a visa.
You have published a list of suggested offences, some of which are quite frankly risible - "money laundering to aid terrorism", "parking in a prohibited area"...... why not "handling a salmon in suspicious circumstances", or "Beating or shaking a carpet or rug in the street"? However, she has been charged with none of them, and has not been allowed to defend herself at trial or found guilty, so your list is worthless - particularly in view of the 400+ fighters who have already been allowed to return to the UK.

Also, repeating that she is not stateless does not make it true. She had British citizenship by birth, until it was revoked by Javid. She has never held or applied for Bangladeshi citizenship nor has it been granted, so she is stateless. This is not a game of "pass the parcel", no matter how hard you try to make it so..
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I listed all the possible charges, some seem eminently applicable, you do not have to tick all the boxes. All theoretical, I actual hope the situation never arises.

The 400 plus who have been returned is deeply worrying, and no doubt the tip of the iceberg. There is a certain inevitability of the horrors ahead.

The other points have been responded to so best you review the thread,
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Default Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked

Originally Posted by macliam View Post
You have published a list of suggested offences, some of which are quite frankly risible - "money laundering to aid terrorism", "parking in a prohibited area"...... why not "handling a salmon in suspicious circumstances", or "Beating or shaking a carpet or rug in the street"? However, she has been charged with none of them, and has not been allowed to defend herself at trial or found guilty, so your list is worthless - particularly in view of the 400+ fighters who have already been allowed to return to the UK.

Also, repeating that she is not stateless does not make it true. She had British citizenship by birth, until it was revoked by Javid. She has never held or applied for Bangladeshi citizenship nor has it been granted, so she is stateless. This is not a game of "pass the parcel", no matter how hard you try to make it so..
What happened to the 400+ fighters who've been allowed re-entry to the UK, then? I didn't realise that any'd been allowed back. Were they allowed back because they're sans another citizenship? These people are scum & should be welded into cages for the rest of their natural lives. This woman willingly provided support & comfort to our enemy; an enemy which ruthlessly & barbarically beheaded or incinerated prisoners for video propaganda. They're monsters and totally unworthy of an ounce of sympathy, and so to Hell with them.

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