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stevenglish1 Mar 14th 2019 8:18 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12653604)
I guess we'll find out if, and when, his decisions are subject to legal challenge.
AIUI and for those who want to "take back control" and shout about democracy, his powers come from the inheritance of "crown privilege", so he can decide without parliamentary oversight. But he is still subject to legal challenge - if the plaintiffs can afford the costs. With a cynical eye, Javid also knows that any such process will take a long time, so the chances are that even if he is challenged and loses,the problem will have been "solved", just as the problem of Begum's child is solved. In any case, he has kicked any decision into the long grass.....

I would love to hear you point out where anyone has celebrated the death of this child as a solution to a problem. No one has even hinted at holding the poor mite responsible for his Mum's actions. You lose any credibility you may have had when you keep 'mistaking' disdane for the mother for disdane for mother and child. Only she is responsible for her situation.

macliam Mar 15th 2019 12:41 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12653890)
I would love to hear you point out where anyone has celebrated the death of this child as a solution to a problem. No one has even hinted at holding the poor mite responsible for his Mum's actions. You lose any credibility you may have had when you keep 'mistaking' disdane for the mother for disdane for mother and child. Only she is responsible for her situation.

Where did I claim that anyone is "celebrating"? - on the other hand, are you suggesting that Javid was gearing up to rescue the child any time soon?
The dangers to both the mother and child in that camp were known and events have taken their course..
There are enough points of contention in this whole sorry episode without you making up imaginary arguments.

vinegarboy Mar 15th 2019 3:45 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12653990)
Where did I claim that anyone is "celebrating"? - on the other hand, are you suggesting that Javid was gearing up to rescue the child any time soon?
The dangers to both the mother and child in that camp were known and events have taken their course..
There are enough points of contention in this whole sorry episode without you making up imaginary arguments.

The Home Secretary should've at least made the effort to offer her safe passage for the baby back to the care of relatives in the U.K. But she herself is, as a traitor to the Crown, quite rightly stripped of her U.K. citizenship; and very good riddance to such ungrateful human dross. Her entire family in the U.K. will undoubtedly now be sweating over whether the Home Secretary may have directed that their original immigration papers & applications for citizenship be gone back over with a fine-toothed comb.

Boiler Mar 15th 2019 4:52 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Stated that the child was entitled to a British Passport, if there was any attempt to move the baby it has never been mentioned.

Not sure her relatives would have been considered a suitable source of care but things never got that far.

vinegarboy Mar 15th 2019 5:23 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12654053)
Stated that the child was entitled to a British Passport, if there was any attempt to move the baby it has never been mentioned.

Not sure her relatives would have been considered a suitable source of care but things never got that far.

Rescuing the baby would certainly not have been anywhere near too hard a task for the U.K.'s foreign service, but they would've needed to have been specifically directed to make such an effort. The child was certainly both morally and legally owed such an effort by the U.K. government given his dire circumstances of birth, but the logistics for his extraction and repatriation to the U.K. would've taken time to put in place. A tragedy overall, caused ultimately by a wilful, disobedient, and criminally-minded young woman, whose combined lack of education, gratitude, and common-sense has condemned her to banishment, poverty, ignominy, and pariahood. Enjoy.

Boiler Mar 15th 2019 5:29 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Morally is obviously subjective.

Legally? I can think of no legal requirement.

vinegarboy Mar 15th 2019 5:44 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12654058)
Morally is obviously subjective.

Legally? I can think of no legal requirement.

Morally because he was a vulnerable British subject in serious trouble abroad; and legally because it is always incumbent on the U.K. to act in the interests of British citizens needing consular assistance while abroad.

Boiler Mar 15th 2019 5:47 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
There is no Consulate service in Syria for obvious reasons.

vinegarboy Mar 15th 2019 6:07 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12654060)
There is no Consulate service in Syria for obvious reasons.

Indeed not, but thankfully the foreign service does have various ways & means of helping one, no matter which country one might find one's self in trouble inside the official borders of; that's part of what they're charged with, hired/trained for, and indeed paid with taxpayers' money to do. And thank goodness for their expertises, diligence, determination, and their pride in being the best in the world at it.

stevenglish1 Mar 15th 2019 7:50 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12653990)
Where did I claim that anyone is "celebrating"? - on the other hand, are you suggesting that Javid was gearing up to rescue the child any time soon?
The dangers to both the mother and child in that camp were known and events have taken their course..
There are enough points of contention in this whole sorry episode without you making up imaginary arguments.

Celebrating it as a problem solved, you were the one who said it was a 'problem solved' as if we should feel somehow relieved that the babe is dead.

Today's terrorist attack in Christchurch, was that something that should be blamed on Muslims for creating the monster that did it, or the 'man' that carried it out? Take responsibility for your own actions is all I'm saying.

EMR Mar 15th 2019 8:52 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12654075)
Celebrating it as a problem solved, you were the one who said it was a 'problem solved' as if we should feel somehow relieved that the babe is dead.

Today's terrorist attack in Christchurch, was that something that should be blamed on Muslims for creating the monster that did it, or the 'man' that carried it out? Take responsibility for your own actions is all I'm saying.

Where is the condemnation of the attack on a mosque by what appears to be a right wing Looney, killing women and children.
You Don,t have to think , like Isis, to have The same beliefs as Isis, to act like Isis., which this terrorist has demonstrated.
We have just sent our sympathies to friends Christchurch ..



Former Lancastrian Mar 15th 2019 10:00 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12654106)
Where is the condemnation of the attack on a mosque by what appears to be a right wing Looney, killing women and children.
You Don,t have to think , like Isis, to have The same beliefs as Isis, to act like Isis., which this terrorist has demonstrated.
We have just sent our sympathies to friends Christchurch ..

It will come don't worry just maybe not as quick as you are hoping or in not as a forceful way as the media would if this was an attack by Islamic fundamentalists.

EMR Mar 15th 2019 10:09 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Former Lancastrian (Post 12654142)
It will come don't worry just maybe not as quick as you are hoping or in not as a forceful way as the media would if this was an attack by Islamic fundamentalists.

UK R5 has a running news feature with interviews with the ex mayor of Christchurch and other who were very close to the attack.
The killer was an Australian immigrant with a record of posting racist anti Muslim tweets , videos etc.
He even gave the defeat of Marie me Pen in France as one of the influences that motivated him.
WE of course will have to prepare ourselves for the reciprocal attack somewhere, London, Paris, LA, in fact anywhere which if course will get more coverage and reaction .

Boiler Mar 15th 2019 2:01 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12654106)
Where is the condemnation of the attack on a mosque by what appears to be a right wing Looney, killing women and children.
You Don,t have to think , like Isis, to have The same beliefs as Isis, to act like Isis., which this terrorist has demonstrated.
We have just sent our sympathies to friends Christchurch ..

The focus should of course be on interviewing him, he will no doubt be a wealth of information.

And then the focus can switch to deprogramming.

EMR Mar 15th 2019 3:27 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12654289)
The focus should of course be on interviewing him, he will no doubt be a wealth of information.

And then the focus can switch to deprogramming.

.

No need he has published his beliefs and motivation across the web and on social media
I will not get into a stupid petty argument comparing the deeds of a mass murderer of innocent women and children with a stupid girl.
They deserve far more respect and our sympathies..


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