Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
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Denied what? Has she admitted carrying out any crimes, has she been charged? As far as I have seen she has said she was a housewife - and her husband has said the same. I think what she did is wrong, I think her beliefs are wrong, I despair that an apparently intelligent young woman chooses to forego the comforts of western privilege. Any misdeeds on her part should be punished, but under the law, not by casting her out and destroying her by proxy.
There is no king and precious few absolute powers, so you would have to abide by legal process. Belief in something that others find abhorrent is not punishable - there are plenty of people in the UK who would be in trouble if it were. Only if crimes are committed and proven can punishment take place (apart, of course, from those incarcerated without trial or charge in Guantanamo - who could not be treated in the same way in mainland USA). Are you suggesting that this is another case where normal mores should be put aside? To do so is a slippery slope.....
There is no king and precious few absolute powers, so you would have to abide by legal process. Belief in something that others find abhorrent is not punishable - there are plenty of people in the UK who would be in trouble if it were. Only if crimes are committed and proven can punishment take place (apart, of course, from those incarcerated without trial or charge in Guantanamo - who could not be treated in the same way in mainland USA). Are you suggesting that this is another case where normal mores should be put aside? To do so is a slippery slope.....
The legal system you describe is the one that I grew up with and certainly my preference. If you look at it globally and long term I can not help think I have lived in an unusual time and place.
I question that it can survive where we are going, from a philosophical perspective it is interesting to see how this happens. Something I never really understood growing up, history was a major interest, I think I do now.
Usually one person has little impact, so from that perspective perhaps it is unlikely to matter what happens to her. But nice to have a small victory.
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So, all white South Africans who lived there during apartheid are racists - or just the UK migrants who moved there?
Just to prove how easy it is , I went to Pizza hut, but I didn't have a pizza, although it was touch and go for a bit
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Not against killing terrorists , but killing innocent women and children whether a deliberate calculation, a policy , or side effect which creates more terrorists..
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I felt a bit mean about doing that to you, sometimes replies can come across as too personal.
I think that is my point, and why I came to my conclusion. It is an asymmetrical situation.
I think that is my point, and why I came to my conclusion. It is an asymmetrical situation.
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You have already decided she is "guilty" and are just trying to justify your stance. However, your view that she is guilty is just your personal opinion, not fact.