Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
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Can you advise me of the specific punishments meted out to the wives and families of Nazis? You can only prosecute and convict someone for actions where they are responsible - not for the actions of others.
If we go down the road of punishing everyone who supports a terrorist, we do not emulate the Allied powers who defeated Nazism, but of the Nazis themselves.
If we go down the road of punishing everyone who supports a terrorist, we do not emulate the Allied powers who defeated Nazism, but of the Nazis themselves.
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Abetting is a crime. Having slaves is a crime. Not helping someone in dire need is a crime. Let's the courts prosecute her. To just talk about her as a poor abused women is just sexist in my view. Women are just things, subordinate to the husband. Innocent, weak blablabla. Before putting her into the poor women category why not investigate her first. Maybe she was a slave holder?
I do find it amusing how some seem to twist themselves into knots, what happened to MeToo, BelieveWomen, there is an article in the Graun that is on the edge of calling Islam a Cult, yet they are usually the ones bringing up Islamophobia.
Is this racism/genderism, why can we not believe what she said and did?
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As a realist I would suggest that many of the immediate peers of Shamima's son in the refugee camps will be taking up arms within 15 years, not "might" but "will". That is the reality of the situation.

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Which is why the British government and probably others are looking at ways of removing their child nationals from the camps...
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Abetting is a crime. Having slaves is a crime. Not helping someone in dire need is a crime. Let's the courts prosecute her. To just talk about her as a poor abused women is just sexist in my view. Women are just things, subordinate to the husband. Innocent, weak blablabla. Before putting her into the poor women category why not investigate her first. Maybe she was a slave holder?
I find it incredible that so many people have already written her off as so much trash for someone else to dispose of, based on the "evidence" of media reports. Would the same be done in other circumstances - would you suggest that the girlfriend of a burglar should suffer the same fate as her partner? Or is there something special about her, apart from her being in the spotlight?
Daesh follow a perversion of Islam, a cruel and unforgiving doctrine that attempts to "justify" the mistreatment of their victims - but that doesn't give us the right to do the same.
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......... and maybe she wasn't. Ever heard of "innocent until proven guilty" - or do you prefer mob rule, if you don't believe in rehabilitation?
I find it incredible that so many people have already written her off as so much trash for someone else to dispose of, based on the "evidence" of media reports. Would the same be done in other circumstances - would you suggest that the girlfriend of a burglar should suffer the same fate as her partner? ...
I find it incredible that so many people have already written her off as so much trash for someone else to dispose of, based on the "evidence" of media reports. Would the same be done in other circumstances - would you suggest that the girlfriend of a burglar should suffer the same fate as her partner? ...
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