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Shard Mar 4th 2019 12:20 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12647379)
Grateful if you could provide the relevant link as I don’t recall any Guardian article addressing the legal position other than a couple of select one line quotes.

https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...ted-says-javid

BristolUK Mar 4th 2019 12:25 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12647396)

That was earlier than the two I found. I just went to today's story and checked the associated items at the bottom of the article and used Bangladesh in a word search.

Boiler Mar 4th 2019 1:24 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...to-netherlands


It is unclear whether the family could move anywhere at present. The UK home secretary, Sajid Javid, caused controversy when he ordered that Begum’s British citizenship be revoked on 19 February, despite her having no other nationality. It is illegal for any country to make its citizens stateless under UN law.

The foreign ministry in Bangladesh – where Begum’s parents were born but where she has never been herself – later confirmed Begum would not be entitled to Bangladeshi citizenship.
Latrest

Boiler Mar 8th 2019 1:55 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-refugee-camp

Looks like the child may have died.

spouse of scouse Mar 8th 2019 2:00 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12650129)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-refugee-camp

Looks like the child may have died.

Poor little mite, the death of a baby is so sad. Begum's choices have had some terrible consequences.

Former Lancastrian Mar 8th 2019 2:00 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12650129)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-refugee-camp

Looks like the child may have died.

Well I am sure that most of us feel sorry for the innocent child but now she can't use the child as a bargaining chip. I guess she could now petition the Dutch Government about her relocating there as her husband is a Dutch citizen.

spouse of scouse Mar 8th 2019 2:48 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Syrian Democratic Forces have said the baby is alive and healthy.
https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47500387

Boiler Mar 8th 2019 3:08 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Well time will tell.

macliam Mar 8th 2019 4:10 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12650129)
https://www.theguardian.com/uk-news/...n-refugee-camp

Looks like the child may have died.

Maybe not https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47500387

If the reports ARE true, perhaps those calling for vengeance against Ms Begum will be satisfied that she has now lost 3 of her own children due to her misguided actions. Both she and the child have become victims of an understandable reaction to the horrors that daesh perpetrated on its victims - who, let us not forget, were mainly other Muslims. However, the difference between the "civilised world" and daesh should be the way in which we treat those who oppose us. In this case, the child was condemned for a crime of which he was innocent - a black mark against UK "justice".


Boiler Mar 8th 2019 4:15 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
I am not aware of any crime the child committed or was condemned for, seems the child was/is a UK Citizen, do not know about Bangladesh.

A quick perusal of you favourite news source will sadly find many stories of children suffering at the hands of parents.

BEVS Mar 8th 2019 7:57 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12650224)
In this case, the child was condemned for a crime of which he was innocent - a black mark against UK "justice".

It is the mother that refused to send her child to safety. Not the UK. This baby is/was a British Citizen and so could have been removed to relative safety, the paperwork put in place and then placed with the grandparents or extended family.
Most all parents would put their children's best interests first. One might have thought this person would have taken up any chance to get her child out of the camp. Something denied really to the many innocent refugees & their families in these camps. For whatever her reason was, she did not.


chawkins99 Mar 8th 2019 8:02 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
The earlier article has been updated. It seems they have confirmation the child died of pneumonia.

https://www.bbc.com/news/uk-47500387

stevenglish1 Mar 8th 2019 8:08 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12650224)
Maybe not https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47500387

If the reports ARE true, perhaps those calling for vengeance against Ms Begum will be satisfied that she has now lost 3 of her own children due to her misguided actions. Both she and the child have become victims of an understandable reaction to the horrors that daesh perpetrated on its victims - who, let us not forget, were mainly other Muslims. However, the difference between the "civilised world" and daesh should be the way in which we treat those who oppose us. In this case, the child was condemned for a crime of which he was innocent - a black mark against UK "justice".

Sanctimonious twaddle, no-one has condemned the child for anything except his mother and she has done so through the choices she's made. If you think the colour of daesh's victims is of any relevance to this subject then you're sorely mistaken, and just creating some race angle to use against anyone who sees it different. And for suggesting that the death of the child might somehow satisfy those of us who want her gone, well that's pretty low, but not surprising.

spouse of scouse Mar 8th 2019 10:38 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by macliam (Post 12650224)
Maybe not https://www.bbc.co.uk/news/uk-47500387

If the reports ARE true, perhaps those calling for vengeance against Ms Begum will be satisfied that she has now lost 3 of her own children due to her misguided actions. Both she and the child have become victims of an understandable reaction to the horrors that daesh perpetrated on its victims - who, let us not forget, were mainly other Muslims. However, the difference between the "civilised world" and daesh should be the way in which we treat those who oppose us. In this case, the child was condemned for a crime of which he was innocent - a black mark against UK "justice".

ISIS along with Begum and her 'husband' condemned this child - no one else. To suggest that anyone would be 'satisfied' with the death of a baby does you no credit.

macliam Mar 8th 2019 11:02 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12650354)
Sanctimonious twaddle, no-one has condemned the child for anything except his mother and she has done so through the choices she's made. If you think the colour of daesh's victims is of any relevance to this subject then you're sorely mistaken, and just creating some race angle to use against anyone who sees it different. And for suggesting that the death of the child might somehow satisfy those of us who want her gone, well that's pretty low, but not surprising.

We'll agree to differ - but I struggle to see the moral difference between your attitude and that attributed to the mother. The main difference seems to be that she actually put her own life on the line too - whereas you post and pass judgement from the safety of your computer.


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