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BritInParis Feb 20th 2019 12:02 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12639888)
Yes they did. I have a feeling it is partly a political decision though, they know it will play well to the public, and I think even Javid is looking towards his own ambitions.

Correct.

Boiler Feb 20th 2019 12:17 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
She is not the first dual to go this way, and I do not see how her case is different.

I seem to remember most US Citizens do not have a US Passport, I have no idea if she has a current British Passport or it expired ditto her Bangladeshi Passport.

Also seems unclear where she was born.

The Baby may have a claim for Dutch Citizenship by the sound of it and I thought Dutch did not allow dual citizenship?

What a mess.

BritInParis Feb 20th 2019 12:35 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12639896)
She is not the first dual to go this way, and I do not see how her case is different.

I seem to remember most US Citizens do not have a US Passport, I have no idea if she has a current British Passport or it expired ditto her Bangladeshi Passport.

Also seems unclear where she was born.

The Baby may have a claim for Dutch Citizenship by the sound of it and I thought Dutch did not allow dual citizenship?

What a mess.

She actually left the UK on her sister’s passport so she wouldn’t have one to return on even if she wasn’t about to be stripped of her citizenship. As you say there’s also a dispute about whether she was born in the UK or Bangladesh.

Her child would remain British and entitled to a British passport presuming she is actually able to register the birth with the Syrian government which seems unlikely. I suspect the Dutch won’t be taking any interest at all in the child.

markonline1 Feb 20th 2019 12:41 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Good!!!!!!

BEVS Feb 20th 2019 12:48 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12639900)
As you say there’s also a dispute about whether she was born in the UK or Bangladesh.

There is a UK birth reg. for a person of the same name born in the Tower Hamlets area 2qtr 1999. Mother's name as Begum .

BritInParis Feb 20th 2019 12:51 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by BEVS (Post 12639906)
There is a UK birth reg. for a person of the same name born in the Tower Hamlets area 2qtr 1999. Mother's name as Begum .

I count several more around the same time in Tower Hamlets. Too common a name in the Bangladeshi community there to say with any certainty that it is her. Lots of newspaper interviews with her mother that fail to mention her name beyond “Shamima’s mother” so no help in narrowing it down.

Boiler Feb 20th 2019 12:56 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
I thought her Mother died?

BEVS Feb 20th 2019 12:57 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12639907)
I count several more around the same time in Tower Hamlets. Too common a name in the Bangladeshi community there to say with any certainty that it is her. Lots of newspaper interviews with her mother that fail to mention her name beyond “Shamima’s mother” so no help in narrowing it down.

True enough. The differing spellings do not help.

Boiler Feb 20th 2019 1:00 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Sounds like nobody really knows who she is.

BEVS Feb 20th 2019 1:03 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12639908)
I thought her Mother died?

Me too.

BritInParis Feb 20th 2019 1:03 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12639908)
I thought her Mother died?

Different girl, similar name.

BEVS Feb 20th 2019 1:03 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12639913)
Different girl, similar name.

Heck

Giantaxe Feb 20th 2019 1:28 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by BritInParis (Post 12639900)
She actually left the UK on her sister’s passport so she wouldn’t have one to return on even if she wasn’t about to be stripped of her citizenship. As you say there’s also a dispute about whether she was born in the UK or Bangladesh.

Her child would remain British and entitled to a British passport presuming she is actually able to register the birth with the Syrian government which seems unlikely. I suspect the Dutch won’t be taking any interest at all in the child.

The most interesting thing in that statute is this:

"Before making an order under this section in respect of a person the Secretary of State must give the person written notice specifying—"

According to this article the letter:

"... asks her mother to pass on details of the order to her daughter, who is currently in a Syrian refugee camp without access to a phone".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hip-be-stopped

I don't see how this is going to pass legal muster. A British official is going to have to serve her, not her mum. So something else for lawyers to latch onto.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bangladesh preemptively washing their hands of her if she doesn't currently hold a Bangladeshi passport.

Boiler Feb 20th 2019 1:35 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
So she has no passport, if she has her Sisters I assume that has been flagged so would not work.

I can imagine a few issues applying for one...

Boiler Feb 20th 2019 1:36 am

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Giantaxe (Post 12639926)
The most interesting thing in that statute is this:

"Before making an order under this section in respect of a person the Secretary of State must give the person written notice specifying—"

According to this article the letter:

"... asks her mother to pass on details of the order to her daughter, who is currently in a Syrian refugee camp without access to a phone".

https://www.theguardian.com/politics...hip-be-stopped

I don't see how this is going to pass legal muster. A British official is going to have to serve her, not her mum. So something else for lawyers to latch onto.

I wouldn't be surprised to see Bangladesh preemptively washing their hands of her if she doesn't currently hold a Bangladeshi passport.

I assume they sent it to her last known address.


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