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Nutek Feb 21st 2019 12:11 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12640898)
Of course only the cynic could suggest that Javids hard line ( contradicting existing home office guide lines ) has anything to do with distracting attention away from the government's Brexit cock up , his leadership ambitions and resignations of Tory mps .
But only a cynic would think that

At least we don't have to worry about her coming in by Ferry.

EMR Feb 21st 2019 12:36 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by stevenglish1 (Post 12640832)
All of which you can pay for. What's the point of deprogramming them if you're still going to watch them like a hawk? The message needs to be you run off and join Isis, kiss goodbye to GB and all its privileges

How much would further terrorist acts cost the UK as Isis exploits the way they are seen as Muslims to be treated , helping recruit more to theirvsick cause..

Its not about money its about lives...


Lion in Winter Feb 21st 2019 1:20 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Nutek (Post 12640943)
At least we don't have to worry about her coming in by Ferry.

Always looking on the bright side :)

Although maybe she could bring in some lettuce and stuff with her, since we will be running out of that in March if they can't get a deal sorted.

Shard Feb 21st 2019 1:47 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12640960)
How much would further terrorist acts cost the UK as Isis exploits the way they are seen as Muslims to be treated , helping recruit more to theirvsick cause..

Its not about money its about lives...

The jihadis will find an excuse to terrorise Britain irrespective of what happens to this young woman.

EMR Feb 21st 2019 1:56 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Shard (Post 12641000)
The jihadis will find an excuse to terrorise Britain irrespective of what happens to this young woman.

True but leaving her to remain active, is one too many..

Bipat Feb 21st 2019 2:07 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12641007)
True but leaving her to remain active, is one too many..

It would be two too many! She has a son! Showing some degree of humanity to his rather stupid teenage mother will hopefully ensure he grows up without the same views.

EMR Feb 21st 2019 2:20 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Bipat (Post 12641011)
It would be two too many! She has a son! Showing some degree of humanity to his rather stupid teenage mother will hopefully ensure he grows up without the same views.

You are obviously confused, staying in an Isis environment with her son is a guarantee that he will grow up with Isis views.

Bringing them back to the UK with the child in care until she proves she no longer has those views is the best thing for the child and the U.K,.
That's taking two potential terrorists out of the hands of Isis.


BristolUK Feb 21st 2019 2:33 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12641018)
....staying in an Isis environment with her son is a guarantee that he will grow up with Isis views...

Still wondering how a 35000 refugee camp is an ISIS environment.

As I said earlier, She was radicalised in the UK, along with friends in the UK and they followed the path that another in the UK (from the same school, even?) had used a month earlier, it being a path used by many others in the UK.

How is the refugee camp a greater likelihood?

What about being separated from his mother while she's detained...is that not a more likely scenario of him growing up with extreme views or even a simple revenge motive?

EMR Feb 21st 2019 2:45 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12641028)
Still wondering how a 35000 refugee camp is an ISIS environment.

As I said earlier, She was radicalised in the UK, along with friends in the UK and they followed the path that another in the UK (from the same school, even?) had used a month earlier, it being a path used by many others in the UK.

How is the refugee camp a greater likelihood?

What about being separated from his mother while she's detained...is that not a more likely scenario of him growing up with extreme views or even a simple revenge motive?

So your view is do nothing, we care screwed, do anything we are screwed..
If in years to come her son starts killing in the name of Isis, who will be to blame. when he could have been removed from that environment..

There are in the UK ex radicals addressing schools and mudlim groups admitting they were wrong.
What convinces you that she is incapable of doing the same .
Refugee camps full of refugees from areas once under Isis control, Isis supporters is not a middle class tea party..



spouse of scouse Feb 21st 2019 2:50 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Jeremy Corbyn says bring her back, which isn't really surprising.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/s...-a4073081.html

BristolUK Feb 21st 2019 2:54 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by EMR (Post 12641036)
So your view is do nothing, we care screwed, do anything we are screwed..

No, I'm just unconvinced what you're saying is the only, or the safest, or the best, option.
It's probably one of those situations where we say "we have to be better than them" but then being better than them is taken advantage of in some way.

There are in the UK as radicals addressing schools and mudlim groups admitting they were wrong.
What convinces you that she is incapable of doing the same .
I'm not convinced. I don't know why you seem to be.

It would be useful to know more about the others who are reformed. What did they go through? Were they traumatised in some way that shocked them. She doesn't seem to have been. Were they captured? Did they want to return and what they're doing is a condition of being resettled.


Refugee camps full of refugees from areas once under Isis control, Isis supporters is not a middle class tea party..
They're refugees for a reason aren't they? Or are you saying they can't wait to get back to being under ISIS control. All 35,000 of them.


EMR Feb 21st 2019 3:04 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by BristolUK (Post 12641050)
No, I'm just unconvinced what you're saying is the only, or the safest, or the best, option.
It's probably one of those situations where we say "we have to be better than them" but then being better than them is taken advantage of in some way.

I'm not convinced. I don't know why you seem to be.

It would be useful to know more about the others who are reformed. What did they go through? Were they traumatised in some way that shocked them. She doesn't seem to have been. Were they captured? Did they want to return and what they're doing is a condition of being resettled.


They're refugees for a reason aren't they? Or are you saying they can't wait to get back to being under ISIS control. All 35,000 of them.

Are you so naive as to think that the 100s thousands who lived in areas under Isis control were all anti Isis.
There is already concern in areas liberated from them that support is growing again due to the atitude of the regime that replaced them.
Religious conflict between Shia anti Isis and Sunni , Isis are Sunni..
Thousands of Isis fighters are now out There somewhere,
Turkey it is reported is using them to fight the Kurds opposed to Turkish control ofvKurdish areas..
Reducing the threat by removing a mother and child from Isis influence is risk reduction not increasing the risk..





Shard Feb 21st 2019 3:05 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by spouse of scouse (Post 12641042)
Jeremy Corbyn says bring her back, which isn't really surprising.
https://www.standard.co.uk/news/uk/s...-a4073081.html

Mind you, last week Mogg was saying the same thing.

Boiler Feb 21st 2019 3:15 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 
Will be interesting to see if she hangs around with her ISIS buddies or heads of to Bangladesh.

EMR Feb 21st 2019 3:23 pm

Re: Shamima Begum has UK citizenship revoked
 

Originally Posted by Boiler (Post 12641075)
Will be interesting to see if she hangs around with her ISIS buddies or heads of to Bangladesh.

Neither, there is a legal challenge in the UK against citizenship being removed making her stateless.. .
It us illegal to declare a person stateless, something to do with the Nazis and the holocaust .
Something the UK signed up to..


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