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Old Sep 28th 2020, 3:29 pm
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Originally Posted by MartynK View Post
It's Ayn Rand. I'm not seeking to correct you but that makes it easier to find her, and her books, for anyone who isn't familiar with her writing. Interesting and controversial.
Yup. Iris Murdoch’s novels were, I suppose, romans a clef, as were Ayn Rand’s.

Different clef, though.
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Old Sep 28th 2020, 4:55 pm
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Yup. Iris Murdoch’s novels were, I suppose, romans a clef, as were Ayn Rand’s.

Different clef, though.
I read Atlas Shrugged and The Fountainhead in my early twenties (or possibly late teens). I thoroughly disliked the character of Howard Roark, and that rather clouded my judgement of The Fountainhead. Atlas Shrugged, more of a treatise on her Objectivist philosophy than the defence of free-market capitalism in The Fountainhead, seemed a bit juvenile - philosophy for people who don't think too carefully about philosophy. One of my colleagues is a bit Ayn Rand fan. He pitches himself as a free-thinking, libertarian conservative, and we have had some excellent discussions over the office kitchen table about libertarianism and objectivism.

I still suggest Ayn Rand is hugely overrrated as a thinker, though. For such "sophomoric" (one early reviewer's characterization) philosophy, she has had extraordinary and unwarranted influence in recent years at the libertarian (and conservative) end of the US political spectrum. A surprising number of recent US politicians and political appointees have been adherents: most famously, Alan Greenspan was part of Rand's social circle, but also both Ron and Rand Paul are adherents of objectivism (though contrary to popular myth, Rand's name is a shortening of Randal and has nothing to do with the author), Paul Ryan, and Justice Clarence Thomas are followers of her objectivist approach to libertarianism.

Iris Murdoch's is, for sure, at the other end of the political spectrum, having been for a short time in the late 30s a member of the Communist Party. "The Sea, The Sea" is just utterly brilliant writing, regardless of the reader's political persuasion.
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Iris Murdoch's is, for sure, at the other end of the political spectrum, having been for a short time in the late 30s a member of the Communist Party. "The Sea, The Sea" is just utterly brilliant writing, regardless of the reader's political persuasion.
She was profoundly conservative in her later years, though.
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She was profoundly conservative in her later years, though.
That happens a lot. One wonders why...
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Iris Murdoch...was profoundly conservative in her later years, though.
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That happens a lot. One wonders why...
Age-related cognitive decline?
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I always thought schools were meant to indoctrinate kids with a least a basic education.Why so often in this wonderful modern era does the system fail kids on a horrifying regularity.I'd have also thought if the teachers could indoctrinate them with anything would be some sort of success maybe reading spelling writing some grammar too .
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I always thought schools were meant to indoctrinate kids with a least a basic education.Why so often in this wonderful modern era does the system fail kids on a horrifying regularity.I'd have also thought if the teachers could indoctrinate them with anything would be some sort of success maybe reading spelling writing some grammar too .
...and punctuation.
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...and punctuation.
Especially when writing legislation or contracts etc

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article...anies-millions
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Especially when writing legislation or contracts etc

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article...anies-millions
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Especially when writing legislation or contracts etc

https://www.bbc.com/worklife/article...anies-millions
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Oxford comma now has legal status.

There's a reason it's called a "semantic comma".
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That happens a lot. One wonders why...
Maybe the same reason that Rand lived off the government buck in her later years.
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Oxford comma now has legal status.
Doing rather better for itself than the PM's signature, then.
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Maybe the same reason that Rand lived off the government buck in her later years.
Did she? And the reason was?
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Originally Posted by jimenato View Post
...and punctuation.
Hi jimenato.do you know that dog smoking a pipe is bad for him.I forgot punctuation as i suspect you and others know i know f,,,,all about it
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The right wing authoritarian religious attacks continue on education. This time a teacher is murdered by a right-winger
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