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Old Mar 18th 2021, 2:26 pm
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Originally Posted by el collado kid View Post
Winston Churchill 1874-1965
Probable the greatest Briton of all time imho lived a life of long ago and would not meet modern standards (maybe) to rubbish the man and call him a racist is wrong!!!
Put your self back in the 1900-1950,s Britain and see how you might be. A totally different person I think??? I think some respect for a great man is due don't you think???
Yes he did a great job in the 2nd world war, however he was certainly 'racist'. Yes many ordinary British people were also, however Churchill had the power to harm those in the colonial countries and he did!
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Originally Posted by el collado kid View Post
Winston Churchill 1874-1965
Probable the greatest Briton of all time imho lived a life of long ago and would not meet modern standards (maybe) to rubbish the man and call him a racist is wrong!!!
Put your self back in the 1900-1950,s Britain and see how you might be. A totally different person I think??? I think some respect for a great man is due don't you think???
I'd nominate Francis Crick or perhaps David Hume as the greatest Brit. Churchill not much more than grubby nationalist from what I can tell. He didn't even get re-elected.
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I'd nominate Francis Crick or perhaps David Hume as the greatest Brit. Churchill not much more than grubby nationalist from what I can tell. He didn't even get re-elected.
Bobby Charlton surely.
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I would nominate Jane Austen, my favourite novelist, as a contender for the title. Hard to tell whether she was a racist, since pretty much every character in her books is not just English, but a member of the Church of England in good standing.

And, here is a long quote from Winston Churchill about Jane Austen.

https://janeausteninvermont.blog/201...n-jane-austen/

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I would nominate Jane Austen...
Pfft.
World Cup winners medal, European Cup winners medal and a knighthood. Plus one I'd never heard of - Order of the Rising Sun.

That beats an appearance on a tenner any day.
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Old Mar 18th 2021, 4:51 pm
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Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
I would nominate Jane Austen, my favourite novelist, as a contender for the title. Hard to tell whether she was a racist, since pretty much every character in her books is not just English, but a member of the Church of England in good standing.

And, here is a long quote from Winston Churchill about Jane Austen.

https://janeausteninvermont.blog/201...n-jane-austen/
I assumed you would be nominating Eric.
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Bobby Charlton surely.
Sports figures aren't even eligble.
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Old Mar 18th 2021, 5:00 pm
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Originally Posted by Shard View Post
I assumed you would be nominating Eric.
Yeah true, I’d forgotten about him. And I just reread 1984. He would be a finalist!
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Originally Posted by robin1234 View Post
Yeah true, I’d forgotten about him. And I just reread 1984. He would be a finalist!
Eerily prescient ?
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I'd nominate Francis Crick or perhaps David Hume as the greatest Brit. Churchill not much more than grubby nationalist from what I can tell. He didn't even get re-elected.
The Francis Crick, along with James Watson and Maurice Wilkins who 'borrowed' the fundamental work of Rosalind Franklin and took all the praise for themselves!
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The Francis Crick, along with James Watson and Maurice Wilkins who 'borrowed' the fundamental work of Rosalind Franklin and took all the praise for themselves!
Details, details
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Trying to structure a rubric for evaluating the "Greatest Briton" gives me a headache. I dont think it can serve any point in assigning the title to anyone.
But in the spirit of fun, I'd go with a shortlist of Newton, Shakespeare, Turing, Bomberg
edit: Bomberg might be less known to some, David Bomberg, painter, I'd probably pick him from my shortlist.

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Originally Posted by kimilseung View Post
Trying to structure a rubric for evaluating the "Greatest Briton" gives me a headache. I dont think it can serve any point in assigning the title to anyone.
But in the spirit of fun, I'd go with a shortlist of Newton, Shakespeare, Turing, Bomberg
Certainly Newton and Shakespeare ! Bomberg ?
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Certainly Newton and Shakespeare ! Bomberg ?
Great influence on British art, from Vorticism (British cubism ish), to the London school.(people like Frank Auerbach)
From this

to this
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Old Mar 18th 2021, 6:18 pm
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Great influence on British art, from Vorticism (British cubism ish), to the London school.(people like Frank Auerbach)
From this

to this
I see, will check him out.
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