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Old Nov 6th 2019, 8:30 am
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Originally Posted by BritInParis View Post
No, but I can always start looking. A country can only be as good as the people running it allow it to be. If Corbyn and chums want to turn the UK into Venezuela then I won’t be hanging around.
And you would be OK with a ''Signapore on Thames'' where the nord of the UK would be forgotten (again) ?
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You have to realise that at the moment the BBC stands for Biased Broadcasting company. ITV has asked Swinson for theirs, don't forget it's the BBC who asking people NOT to plotisice the NHS, because they know the Tories are on an extremely sticky wicket on the NHS.
It is ITV from which Swinson has been excluded - not the BBC.

Your bias against the faultless and neutral BBC is showing Mike...
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And you would be OK with a ''Signapore on Thames'' where the nord of the UK would be forgotten (again) ?
No.
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It is ITV from which Swinson has been excluded - not the BBC.

Your bias against the faultless and neutral BBC is showing Mike...
And even then ITV is holding two debates - one with Boris and Corbyn and a second with all the major parties represented.
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This is a super article: The question for Labour: why are you sticking with Jeremy Corbyn?

The Labour leader has the lowest poll numbers of any leader of the opposition since records began. His net satisfaction rating is minus 60, outstripping the previous negative record held since 1982 by Michael Foot. He is less popular than Boris Johnson among both men and women, in every socioeconomic category, whether richer or poorer, in London and Scotland as well as the Midlands and Wales and, remarkably, in every age group. Perhaps it’s no surprise that the over-65s prefer Johnson to Corbyn by 62% to 8%, but it’s arresting that even among the youngest voters, aged 18 to 24, those once seen as the Labour leader’s base, Corbyn is less popular than the prime minister, albeit by three points.
If Labour want to win an election, it's very obvious that Comrade Corbyn isn't the one for them from this data (within the last month).

It's laughable that in this time of needing great opposition and challenging sitting governments to make progress and to achieve great things that this is the sum total of what Labour can muster.
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This is a super article: The question for Labour: why are you sticking with Jeremy Corbyn?



If Labour want to win an election, it's very obvious that Comrade Corbyn isn't the one for them from this data (within the last month).

It's laughable that in this time of needing great opposition and challenging sitting governments to make progress and to achieve great things that this is the sum total of what Labour can muster.
If all I read are negative reviews about something, I'm hardly going to want to try it, am I? People are far too willing to believe what they're told than to research the facts.

Sort of a reverse Tripadvisor review scandal.
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Old Nov 13th 2019, 10:26 am
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If all I read are negative reviews about something, I'm hardly going to want to try it, am I? People are far too willing to believe what they're told than to research the facts.

Sort of a reverse Tripadvisor review scandal.
This article is based on reported data. The opening paragraph, for example, it's pure data. This, like most articles reporting things is followed up by opinion, it is even in the Guardian of all places.

I know on this forum I go against the grain with my party political opinions, but **** me.

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This article is based on reported data. The opening paragraph, for example, it's pure data. This, like most articles reporting things is followed up by opinion, it is even in the Guardian of all places.

I know on this forum I go against the grain with my party political opinions, but **** me.
The reported polling data?

Of course people aren't going to vote for him if all they hear is somne of the BS constantly thrown at him, yet Theresa May and Boris Johnson get a comparatively free pass. Corbyn's not perfect, nor a saint, but how about judging Labour on their policies, which have been voted for by Labour members. And Corbyn's been made leader of the party by most of those same members on multiple occasions.

But why do I care, I'm voting for the Green Party in a Labour stronghold.
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The reported polling data?

Of course people aren't going to vote for him if all they hear is somne of the BS constantly thrown at him, yet Theresa May and Boris Johnson get a comparatively free pass. Corbyn's not perfect, nor a saint, but how about judging Labour on their policies, which have been voted for by Labour members. And Corbyn's been made leader of the party by most of those same members on multiple occasions.

But why do I care, I'm voting for the Green Party in a Labour stronghold.
TM and BoJo getting a free pass? Come on mate, you can't actually believe that? Let's at least be realistic in all of this.

I'm struggling to find many Corbyn supporters, is that why it's important to judge them on their policies? Are they that good that they're electable despite him being leader?
Are the Conservative policies as good and therefore electable despite BoJo being the chief?

Why have you chosen Green? I've been considering that too, I want them to know their more rational policies are really important and supported (not the fanciful shit though).
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Voters are judging him on his policies. The paling around with terrorists and anti-Semites was already largely factored in during the 2017 GE. The Brexit fence sitting means he’s now losing traditional northern Labour supporters who voted ‘Leave’ to the Tories/Brexit Party and metropolitan Remainers to the Lib Dems.

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Voters are judging him on his policies. The paling around with terrorists and anti-Semites was already largely factored in during the 2017 GE. The Brexit fence sitting means he’s now losing traditional northern Labour supporters who voted ‘Leave’ to the Tories/Brexit Party and metropolitan Remainers to the Lib Dems.
Interestingly, you can get 25/1 on a Lab/Lib coalition.
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...it is even in the Guardian of all places.
I always find it a bit strange when people do this "even the Guardian" thing, whatever it's about. If they knew the paper at all, it'd be the last thing they'd trot out, pretty much whatever the topic.

With specific regard to politics, it's even odder that it seems to be so widely regarded as a "lefty" paper, when, by and large, it is most consistently and insistently banging the drum for some kind of supposed middle-of-the-road. Opinions in favour of actual left-wingery and new approaches to resolving the problems accumulated by decades of adherence to a very stale and now thoroughly discredited economic orthodoxy are actually few and far between. And as for pro Corbyn articles, rocking horses and hens spring to mind, although we get an occasional one as some kind of sop.

The article you linked to and the author of it are for more typical of Graun offerings than anything objective or positive about Labour's transformation and how it is now offering a good deal of what the country needs (as, indeed, endorsed by some very well-respected economists).

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Interestingly, you can get 25/1 on a Lab/Lib coalition.
Sounds distinctly short to me. I'd be surprised at any coalition, to be honest, although I guess the BP will be begging for one if they manage to get any MPs.
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I always find it a bit strange when people do this "even the Guardian" thing, whatever it's about. If they knew the paper at all, it'd be the last thing they'd trot out, pretty much whatever the topic.

With specific regard to politics, it's even odder that it seems to be so widely regarded as a "lefty" paper, when, by and large, it is most consistently and insistently banging the drum for some kind of supposed middle-of-the-road. Opinions in favour of actual left-wingery and new approaches to resolving the problems accumulated by decades of adherence to a very stale and now thoroughly discredited economic orthodoxy are actually few and far between. And as for pro Corbyn articles, rocking horses and hens spring to mind, although we get an occasional one as some kind of sop.

The article you linked to and the author of it are for more typical of Graun offerings than anything objective or positive about Labour's transformation and how it is now offering a good deal of what the country needs (as, indeed, endorsed by some very well-respected economists).


You don't, really you don't.

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Ah come on, if it had been the Mail it would have been rubbished because of the source. May as well make light of it at the entry of information to discussion - i'd rather do it then than have the inevitable thigh rubbing after for it.

I quite like the Guardian, I'm not slating it. I was merely highlighting it wasn't the source for a 'Corbyn's not that good' article that I'd have expected. That's all.

Going by the reaction I get elsewhere, I definitely don't feel like my opinions on the current parties fits in particularly well. I'm on the cool kids side of Brexit, yes, but for this GE if you even think Tory, let alone consider vote Tory you're basically a ****. Don't worry though, I still remain on a journey of decisions with my vote and relatively open minded (perhaps more than many) despite my dislike of Corbyn as PM I will have a look at what Labour discuss in their manifesto so I can make a better decision than just not voting for them because I see him as a weak, faux-socialist fraud who I don't think is capable of being a high quality PM.

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Sounds distinctly short to me. I'd be surprised at any coalition, to be honest, although I guess the BP will be begging for one if they manage to get any MPs.
The BP are a bunch of ****ing plebs. It's probably the worst move for the Conservatives to bring them back into the fold.

I think it might push some middle Tory remainers like me away from the party. But if you can't get behind Labour do you go Lib Dem? I mean they've got a golden opportunity haven't they. That's what made me stick a fiver on the coalition. I mean, it's a disastrous coalition with a cabinet of nobodies. Shudder.

Labour had a real chance for this election. Appease some of the far left socialist wannabes with a few token gestures, bring in someone who's not such a weak prospect and injects a bit of life into things, bringing the party closer to the centre. Think a '97 Blair but without the rebranding and jump along the spectrum. Someone with a bit of spunk or pizzazz or character or even someone with a human personality.

Still, instead I think Labour will do well, in spite of their position on Brexit being on the fence about being on the fence and having Corbyn at the helm.
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But if you can't get behind Labour do you go Lib Dem? I mean they've got a golden opportunity haven't they. That's what made me stick a fiver on the coalition. I mean, it's a disastrous coalition with a cabinet of nobodies. Shudder.
Yes, I get the logic. I just think an actual coalition is possibly not the best way of exerting political influence (something of which the LibDems will be only too painfully aware given their recent history) and that given Swinson's pronouncements in the very recent past, forming a coalition with Corbyn as PM would be absolutely out of the question. Certainly should be, anyway, unless she's going to change her name to de Pfeffle.

Good luck with the bet, though

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